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Started by bella! [Ignore] 13,Aug,23 07:15  other posts
This thread is for questionable content. WHY? Just because! I am someone who enjoys the Hodge Twins. YEP, the Hodge Twins. They probably make the hairs on the back of a WOKE person stand straight up! Anyway.....

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By bella! [Ignore] 13,Sep,25 10:52 other posts 
This is NOT questionable, the guy is spot on!

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By phart [Ignore] 13,Sep,25 19:14 other posts 
People like Ananas will never listen to that mans words and actually think about what he is saying. thats a problem.

People given everything they need and more from the tax payers pockets and do nothing, have no reason to change their ways. no motivation, no desire to do better. Because they don't give a damn.

Toxic masculinity, i hear that word alot lately. The new liberal idea is to make being a actual MAN and standing up for yourself and your family and what you believe into being toxic and terrible and shouldn't be allowed. you are supposed to be a humanoid being with a penis that cry's when your latte is not warm enough and you are supposed to drive a pink prius and never be proud of yourself, your accomplishments ,never have any goals or desire to achieve. Liberals just want you to be a useless bag of water with a phallus. that's the liberal definition of a man nowadays.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 13,Sep,25 20:15 other posts 
Damn, I was going out to buy a pink Prius, but now, forget it, I’ll just stick to riding my pink skateboard with yellow flowers
By phart [Ignore] 13,Sep,25 20:40 other posts 
I always address your words, you are the one mostly ignoring mine.

You're sounding like your country is some sort of socialist Utopia, where people don't need to work to stay alive. Who in his right mind can still think that? When you need to feed kids in school, because they are hungry, that's not 'socialism', that's a sign that your people are HURTING. Their parents are working their asses off, but their employers don't pay them enough, their landlords are taking all their money, so they don't have any left for food, to feed their children. That shouldn't be fixed with taxes, that should be fixed by reducing the EXPLOITATION SYSTEM.

How do people need to do better? Work harder for their employer? They will love it, but won't pay a cent more. How about education? Trump is destroying schools as we speak. No one can afford to go to school anymore.

Standing up for yourself and your family is NOT "Toxic masculinity", that's a stupid
straw-man. Treating women like slaves and whores is "toxic masculinity". That is what your manosphere influencers are supporting. What they are also supporting is millions for them and obedient servitude for all their followers. They are telling them the same fantasy that you believe, but that's not how they get rich. They got rich by selling a lie, like every other scammer who profits from people's misery. It's millionaires lying for billionaires.
Not everyone can get rich from spouting propaganda on the internet. Some people
need to do actual work.

Do you remember who those "essential workers" were, during Covid?
Those jobs still don't pay shit. We cannot all be managers, business people,
stock traders and infuencers. We DON'T all need to "improve" ourselves,
every job is important to keep the economy growing and progressing.
And everyone who contributes to that should be able to make a good living
for their family. That's not a privilege, that's what we ALL deserve.
The people who are privileged are the people who are born with a silver spoon
in their mouth, thinking they deserve to have more than everyone else, by birth-right.
Why do stupid people always flip that around?
Why isn't it obvious to you what they are doing?
YOU ARE INDOCTRINATED BY THE WEALTHY WHO OWN YOU!
Real privilege is not having worked a day in your life,
never having done anything positive for anyone else,
but only served your own wealth and power,
and then getting elected for POTUS,
because people like your hate and bullshit.
By bella! [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 11:49 other posts 
You are more intelligent than I and more intelligent than that post. Throughout his lifetime, Donald Trump has continued to work.

Since you are so keen into United States politics, please share which one of our CAREER POLITICIANS you feel has deserved to become President.

Perhaps this is like comparing apples to oranges but if possible, would you care to share what your royal family has done for your country?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 11:57 other posts 
Do you call that WORKING?

Why do you think that a billionaire nepo-baby would make a better president
than a career politician? Do either care about YOU?

It's your stupid corrupt system that churns out 'career politicians'.
I want real REPRESENTATIVES, from working class families,
who gained knowledge and experience and then go into politics
to improve the system for YOU, because they still understand people like YOU.
People like Trump only understand how to USE people like YOU.

What does Trump say about someone from a poor family who goes into politics?
When they support the working class, he treats them like GARBAGE.
That should be enough for you to understand the problem.

My royal family doesn't have ANY power. They are just well-payed mascots
and diplomats. They serve the same purpose as the national soccer team.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 12:55 other posts 
Well Donald TRUMP has done more than most welfare recipients for sure.

But i am waiting to hear which of our folks you think should be or deserves to be president. I bet it will be some left wing nut job.

I don't ignore your words, i just don't agree with them most of the time. You do take time to explain why you feel the way you do and some of it makes sense, that is why i try to refrain from calling you vile names and such.. and trust me, this is not the only place i argue and you have really sharpened my pencil. I even got banned from 1 local web site because i was just to uh, honest in how i felt about things. but i had alot of folks agreeing with me.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 14:10 other posts 
That's the fucking lowest bar ever! "most welfare recipients"?
Not even ALL of them? Damn, that's Freudian slip, if I ever heard one.

No, Trump is more damaging than all welfare recipients put together.
He is currently putting your country into STAGFLATION. He is destroying the relationship with every other country, without even succeeding in befriending the horrible dictators that he likes so much. Your country has been failing for a while,
but he is accelerating it. This will be you, once you finally realize it:



Tweeting and destroying is 'doing things', but even you cannot call it 'working'.

Bernie Sanders should have been president. He has worked his ass off for working class people for DECADES. He is not a hateful, selfish buffoon like Trump. He has worked with everyone on both sides, if they were honestly willing to improve anything for normal Americans. You can only think of the left as 'nut jobs', because that's the right-wing indoctrination inoculation against the truth. Try to show them wrong.

You didn't react to ANYTHING in that post. Don't you even notice?
Why do you think that a billionaire nepo-baby makes a better president
than a career politician? If a politician has a long career doesn't that mean
that their constituents keep voting for them? Is that bad, by definition?
At least they understand how to write laws and they have seen how it worked out.
Why would that be a negative thing? Would you say the same about a carpenter
or a truck driver? Why is it good to pick amateurs to organize the country?
You are only saying that, because your subconsciously noticing the horrible corruption in your country, and you're associating it with all politicians. The longer they stay, the worse they must be. There is NO REASON to it. A newcomer could easily be much worse. They could have lots of selfish reasons to go into politics. They often have a big company that is having problems with regulation or competition. When they have destroyed the regulation or the competition, they bugger off again, or go look for other deals to personally profit from. That's not what politicians should do. They shouldn't
be working to shape the country towards their own benefit, they should be working
FOR THE PEOPLE. They should solve YOUR problems, not their own problems.

You do ignore anything that you cannot argue against. When I can show you evidence, to justify my point, you just ignore that I'm right and move on to the next point. Then a few days later, you come back to the point I showed you are wrong on before. If you can show mt facts to be incorrect, or my argumentation to be fallacious, I will correct myself. It's just really rare that you are correct on a fact or on the logic leading to a conclusion.
If there are lots of people agreeing with you, that just means that it's an echo chamber, it doesn't mean that you are correct.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 15:13 other posts 
Sometimes i think about your post when aaway from the computer and something crosses my mind of how to respond so i come back to it; if i didn't care, i wouldn't bother would i?

Kamalla harris would have been terriable for America. Being white single and male is already sin enough as it is in 2025, she would have made it worse.
As for breaking relations with most of our "friends" I will say this, i think most of our so called friends are fair weather friends or just bumming off of us.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 15:35 other posts 
Stop with your white male grievance bullshit, it's pathetic.
Trump destroyed DEI, fired many black people with lots of experience
and replace them with stupid, drunk, racist white BOYS. That's DEI.

Yes, you think that, because Trump TOLD YOU. You don't have good reasons.
Meanwhile, your country has the highest GDP in the world and controls all new media, so it couldn't be all that bad. The fact that the American people are not feeling the wealth, is your own choice, you're all serving the wealthy.
That you have 200 military bases in the world, was to serve your own interests,
like stealing all the resources from poor people, that wasn't because other countries asked you to do that. The whole world is/was using the dollar, which made your country too big to fail. That also mostly serves your wealthy people, but all of that is your own fault. And you're now not correcting your fault, you're doubling and tripling down on it. Everything that Trump is doing or trying is worsening the problem.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 15:43 other posts 
why would i stop with my grievances? the blacks haven't, the other minority groups haven't. So why should i? I have a right to be offended to, i also have the right to speak my mind on the subject.

Dei was designed to get a certain number of colors and races in spots in all positions. the problem was, some were not qualified for the jobs.but were there because they met other criteria .
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 15:51 other posts 
Because you don't have a reason for your grievances and they do.
All the problems you have with them are caused by your actions.
They are still suffering from inequality, because you didn't accept them as equal.

DEI was giving people more opportunities to show themselves qualified,
but people like you cannot handle it, when a black person gets the job
that you think you are entitled to. A small person then thinks that the other person wasn't even qualified. Just little white snowflakes.

About 90% of Trump's administration consists of dumb-ass amateurs.
No black person in any of those positions ever fucked-up like them.
Your MAGA culture just worships stupidity, there is no other explanation.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 16:10 other posts 
you are so wrong. So many times even in my job, I watched people that met every single requirement of a promotion that happened to be white be turned down for a black that came fresh from college with no experience, and a couple of them no college,they were simply black. And they did a poor job and were gone in 6 months as well.
Qualifications are what matter to me. I had a white helper on the job that somehow graduated high school and couldn't read. I complained until I was blue in the face with no results because he was related to 1 of the boss's. Well, when i came back from a vacation trip, the helper was GONE. I was like ,Ah, nice, what finally happened. They found out he did not meet the qualifications of the job, 1 of which was reading and writing. nothing to do with color, it is about can they do the job well.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 16:56 other posts 
That happens for black people too. They have been at the job for years, doing great, showing leadership, making profit for the owner, and then they get passed by some snot-nose white kid fresh from college, with no experience. That's not a DEI thing. The bunch who get passed always hates it, but when it's a black person, people remember it more.
The other thing you are describing is nepotism. That's completely separate from what you are describing as some black preference. Management doesn't have an incentive to appoint people who are unqualified, unless it benefits their own family. One exception; when the person who seems unqualified is also much cheaper, that is also an incentive for management. They are not always picking quality over cost. If you need to promote someone with an already high paycheck, that is expensive. If they can get away with a kid with no experience, but who will work their ass off, that is cheap and maybe it will work out.
You are forgetting that. Do I have to explain that your principles might clash
with an employer's principles?
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 17:13 other posts 
I tried to think who I would have wanted for president but I couldn’t think of anyone, I personally think all politicians are crooks and I don’t vote because there isn’t anyone that is running that I would vote for, or like, so I’m just staying neutral and living my life the best I can with what I have. I have the right NOT to vote and don’t really care what happens. It is what it is. I think cat should run for president
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 19:20 other posts 
OK, instead of a politician, do you know any person, who you would consider to have the decency, honesty, competence and strength of character for you to support them for president?

CAT might be better than Trump and Biden, but most people don't know her.
How about someone who everyone knows and respects?

MAGA is literally supporting to have some 'benevolent dictator' who is voted in and then never have elections again. If you don't trust presidents now, would you trust one that you can never vote out?

The idea of your Constitution was that the president is just some moderator,
to control the debate between the parties and to sign the end result, when the process was performed well. The term 'president' has Latin roots, prae- (meaning before) + sedere (meaning to sit), so "president" originally meant "the one who presides over a meeting or assembly.". It was not originally a title of great power, but rather someone who oversaw or chaired a gathering. However,your presidents have been attracting lots of power, mostly because Congress was to ineffective to make choices. Your Republicans have now completely turned it to a fucking mess, allowing Trump to do almost everything with emergency decrees and executive actions. The Supreme Court is setting some limits, but mostly they'll allow it, because they are by majority partisan conservatives, who don't care that The Founding Fathers
are rolling around in their graves at 10,000 rpm.

How about going back to a president who is just a chair person, with
elected representatives in Congress making laws and voting for them, and
a Supreme Court that is just checking whether the law is being followed?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 21:00 other posts 
so we would go back to about 1925 or so? Ok, I can handle that,lets go!~
By bella! [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 23:57 other posts 
“What does Trump say about someone from a poor family who goes into politics?
When they support the working class, he treats them like GARBAGE.
That should be enough for you to understand the problem.”

Again, I acknowledge that your are far more intelligent than I and I also concede, far more versed on politics relating to my country than I am. Specifically, who has Donald Trump as the President of the United States OR Donald Trump, as a “billionaire nepotism-baby” said about a poor person that has entered the political ring?
By phart [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 09:22 other posts 
I have not heard him say anything about poor people in a negative way. i think it is word bending ,he says 1 thing and the left bends it to mean something that supports their narrative. And i am still waiting to hear who annanas says we should have for president. this is gonna be humorous.
By bella! [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 13:25 other posts 
I didn’t ask YOU, you crazy ol’ fart!
By phart [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 15:23 other posts 
I know, but as you can see, you still aint got a answer from the 1 you ask, i was mostly bumping it to the top.
By dgraff [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 10:26 other posts 
Your right he’s right on the money
By t-rex [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 17:04 other posts 
Hallelujah !


By phart [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 09:18 other posts 
Ooops, well, no more free money.
I had no idea they actually paid out.
So this is news to me that people were actually getting money.

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By bella! [Ignore] 16,Sep,25 00:06 other posts 
The circumstances surrounding this professional’s suspension is unconscionable! What is wrong with this world!?

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By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 14:58 other posts 
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Pretty smile, but must be a REAL wacko.
And the boyfriend must have had a HARD head.


By bella! [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 09:58 other posts 
GOOD THINGS DONE BY BAD PEOPLE.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 10:12 other posts 
Hitler’s supposed vegetarianism is a bit more complicated than the popular myth makes it sound.

What the evidence shows:

Contemporary accounts: People close to him (like his secretaries and chefs) said that for much of his later life, especially during and after the late 1930s, he mostly avoided meat. His personal chef, Dione Lucas, mentioned he had a strong aversion to meat dishes and preferred things like mashed potatoes, vegetables, and soups.

Health reasons: Some historians think his diet was influenced more by chronic digestive issues and health concerns than by ethics. He had stomach problems and relied on a personal physician who put him on restrictive diets.

Inconsistencies: Earlier in his life, Hitler did eat meat (including sausages and liver dumplings, which he reportedly liked). There are also accounts suggesting he occasionally broke his vegetarian habits, eating meat broth or even ham.

Propaganda factor: The Nazis liked to portray Hitler as a disciplined, pure-living figure, which included highlighting his supposed vegetarianism, teetotalism, and non-smoking. This was part of building his cult of personality.

Bottom line:

Hitler was not a lifelong vegetarian. From the late 1930s onward, he seems to have mostly avoided meat, but it wasn’t consistent, and it was likely for health and image reasons rather than ethical ones.

Animal welfare under the Nazis:

1933 Animal Protection Law (Tierschutzgesetz): Shortly after the Nazis came to power, they passed one of the most progressive animal welfare laws of the time. It restricted vivisection (animal experiments), regulated hunting, banned boiling lobsters alive, and sought to limit animal suffering in slaughter.

Rhetoric: Hitler and other Nazi leaders sometimes spoke about compassion for animals. Hitler himself reportedly said he opposed hunting and vivisection. Hermann Göring even threatened to send people who violated vivisection rules to concentration camps (though this was more about projecting Nazi “morality” than consistent enforcement).

Reality check: In practice, the laws were inconsistently enforced. They served propaganda purposes — showing Germany as “humane” — while the same regime inflicted horrific cruelty and violence on humans.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 13:00 other posts 
Thanks for posting that Bella.
Like the guy starts to say when the vid cuts off, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day.

Hitler brought about several things that are common place today.
Al copones Cadillac later became the first presidential limo because it was bullet proof and was handy for the president to make the speech declaring war on japan for pearl harbor.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 14:45 other posts 
If a gangster boss can afford a bullet proof car, so can a government.

Can you give me an example of what Trump has delivered, that will be common place
in 80 years?

Listen; fascism HAS the ability to unite a country, it's after-all based on nationalism.
That will result in some creations that stand the test of time. That doesn't make the fascism OK, because it's based on DIVISION. How about UNIFICATION to actually make the world better? Hurting scapegoats does NOT solve problems.
Or do you think that the Jews were the problem and Germany improved itself
from blaming and then exterminating the Jews?

Solving the actual problems solves problems, without the VICTIMS.
Is this some 'far left lunacy' or can you at least see that?


By phart [Ignore] 13,Sep,25 22:31 other posts 
some of these are just wild but the 1 around 15:40 minute mark, is just plum sickening.
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Can you imagine sitting on a toilet so long you have to have the seat removed from your body???and loose use of your legs because of itt?
By bella! [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 11:11 other posts 
The snippet about the lady on the toilet was indeed strange! I believe that the piece said this transpired in her boyfriend’s mobile home. Really? It must have been quite the luxurious mobile home…… Two bathrooms!?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,25 12:53 other posts 
I don't know, do most mobile homes have 1 or 2? I thought most had only 1. so where did the guy take a dump? good question.
I do think the guy was a bit stupid. why would you leave someone sitting on a shitter that long? even adults do stupid stuff and have to be reigned in once in a while.
Come to think of it, those 2 must not have had much of a sex life or he was off screwing someone else. can you imagine, " wheres your girlfriend?" sitting on the toilet, " for 2 years!????" yep, lets screw
--------------------------------------- added after 2 hours

cat? Help us out, 1 or 2 baths? I am confused on it.


By phart [Ignore] 03,Sep,25 21:44 other posts 
i ask Grok a question to answer a issue elsewhere and the answer was so good i thought i would share it here for all the antigun folks. it takes a human with a desire to harm to make a gun function, read this


can a gun in a drawer shoot on it's own?

No, a gun in a drawer cannot shoot on its own. Firearms require an external force to operate, typically a human pulling the trigger, which initiates the firing mechanism. For a gun to discharge, several conditions must be met:

Loaded Chamber: The gun must have a round in the chamber.
Trigger Activation: The trigger must be pulled with sufficient force to engage the firing mechanism (e.g., releasing the hammer or striker to strike the primer of the cartridge).
Mechanical Failure or External Force: In extremely rare cases, a malfunction (e.g., a faulty sear or drop safety failure) combined with a significant external force—like a strong impact—could theoretically cause a discharge. However, modern firearms are designed with safety mechanisms (e.g., drop safeties, trigger safeties) to prevent accidental firing even if dropped or jarred.

A gun simply sitting in a drawer lacks the energy or mechanism to spontaneously fire. Environmental factors like heat, vibration, or magnets cannot activate a trigger or ignite ammunition under normal conditions. Ammunition requires a precise strike to the primer, which only the gun’s firing mechanism can deliver.

If a gun is stored unloaded (no round in the chamber) and with proper safety measures (e.g., trigger lock or safe storage), the risk of accidental discharge is effectively zero. Even in cases of mechanical defects, spontaneous firing without human intervention or extreme external force is virtually impossible.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 04:55 other posts 
Nice, you got Grok to confirm completely useless facts. Good job!

"Hey Grok, Can a depressed man, who doesn't own a gun and doesn't have one near him, shoot his brains out on a whim?"

"No, a depressed man who doesn’t own a gun and doesn’t have one near him cannot shoot himself on a whim. Without access to a firearm, it’s physically impossible to carry out such an act impulsively. If you or someone you know is struggling with depression or suicidal thoughts, reaching out to a trusted person or a professional resource like a crisis hotline (e.g., 988 in the U.S.) can provide immediate support."

"Thanks Grok! How about pills? This guy on the internet took my will to live, with his
brain-dead nonsense..."

"I’m really sorry to hear you’re feeling this way—internet nonsense can be exhausting, can’t it? To answer your question, a depressed person without access to pills (like prescription or over-the-counter drugs in sufficient quantity) couldn’t impulsively overdose, just as they couldn’t use a gun without one nearby. It requires having the means readily available, and even then, it’s not a simple or inevitable act.
More importantly, it sounds like you’re hurting, and I want to help. If someone online is dragging you down, it might help to step away from the screen for a bit or talk it out with someone you trust. Those brain-dead comments don’t define your worth. If you’re feeling overwhelmed, a hotline like 988 (in the U.S.) or a similar service in your area can offer a listening ear, no judgment. Want to share more about what’s got you feeling this way?
I’m here to listen."
By phart [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 07:13 other posts 
can that same depressed man go walk out into the road in front of a truck?
you would have to nail his door shut
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 08:28 other posts 
Sure, but that would hurt a lot, if you don't get killed immediately.
That would be the last thing that I would do. However, I can't imagine any of it.

It also leaves some time to come to your senses. Picking up a gun and blowing your brains out can be done in seconds, AKA 'on a whim'. Finding a good spot to run under
a truck or train takes longer, maybe hours. The walk alone good help settle emotions.

That suicide can also hurt other people. Many people still care about that, when they
are killing themselves. It's something that survivors of suicides say they struggled with. Obviously, we can't ask the ones who were successful.

There are many ways to kill yourself and many ways to kill someone else, but none are so convenient and effective as using a gun.

I was surprised that only 55% of suicides in the US involved guns though.
Personally, I would prefer it over the other popular methods.
Suffocation / Hanging: ~27%
Poisoning (including drugs/overdose, chemicals, gases): ~11%
Other methods (jumping, cutting, etc.): ~7%

Damn, we're going down a very dark hole now. See what you did.
By phart [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 12:41 other posts 
well, after having to deal with the aftermath of my former girlfriends suicide attempts, i learned alot about it. mostly women use drugs to do it because they can still be pretty in the casket, or at least that is what her dr told me.
slitting the wrist is the next up thing women do, if they cut it in line with the blood vessel,it is more difficult to stop the bleeding, she tried that a year before the last attempt,2 inch cut along the main vessel, just a few more minutes and she woulda bled dry.
and here is the part you won't believe, she had access to guns of all sorts, and chose a knife and pills instead.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 18:14 other posts 
Sounds like she was looking for attention and not to end her life to me, someone that really wanted to commit suicide would have done it. She needed help and was reaching out for someone.
By phart [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 21:48 other posts 
29 gliclazide pills were in her stomach when she went into a comma and i called 911, the doc said that would have killed most people, by lowering blood sugar dangerously low.
when she slit her wrist, she did it alone,and had cussed me out and told me to go away and stay gone. the neighbor came over to borrow a movie to watch and saw her in a pool of blood. i think she was done with life. she is now in the care of the state and is usually tied to the bed because she is so violent if they try to get her off meds
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 03:55 other posts 
"she is now in the care of the state and is usually tied to the bed"
Damn, she would have been better off dead. Are you calling this the
"CARE of the state"?

Is this how you want a modern society to handle mental patients?
You are talking about mental hospitals a lot.
And now you are telling me this story?!?!
I have no words.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 10:09 other posts 
Where I live, people that want to end there life are walking out in front of a train,,, instant death, no pain just splattered brains.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 09:52 other posts 
And a very traumatic experience for the train driver, and a horrible job for the police who has to investigate it and the people who need to clean up the track.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 11:46 other posts 
Well her elderly parents tried keeping her at home and 1 morning she got up and threw her mother on the floor and started beating her. her mother has major health issues and was just simply making a cup of coffee and wouldn't move out of the former girlfriends way so she threw her mother down and started beating. the days before that, she had been taking her meds, was calm as a cucumber, dr's were clueless and putting her in a bed with straps was the only thing they could do until something else better comes along. nursing homes kicked her out because of her violent nature. parents can't help as the father has had 2 heart attacks this year alone, mother has had mini strokes, what do you do with someone like this?
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 16:16 other posts 
I understand the situation, there has to be some kind of institution where they can take care of her with medication to keep her calm without restraining her.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 09:58 other posts 
There is/are institution(s) like that. Strapping people down like that is only
an admission of a failed system, from a country that doesn't want to invest
in humane mental healthcare.

About a decades ago we had stories in the media of a mental patient who was treated this way. It became a massive scandal, national outrage, investigations by the IGJ, a parliamentary debate, and ultimately reforms to help curb such coercive practices.

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We don't except society treating anyone like this. It should only be used very short-term for very extreme cases. A wealthy country should be able to prevent these cases. That's what we expect from humanity. Phart expects the opposite. He wants people treated like that, if they only pose some danger to him.
I think that's a clear case of a difference in morality.
A person like that needs help. Strapping them to a bed IS NOT HELPING.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 11:03 other posts 
I think phart understand his situation better than we do and probably knows what’s best for her, I can’t judge when I don’t know what’s really going on with her. But I would prefer to be drugged than tied up, but that’s me.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 11:25 other posts 
Yea, she was right down the road from me for the past several years, was found walking on the road, probably trying to get here, and with her being angry with me, and already tried to kill herself in the next bed over from me, yea, the situation has not been good.

I realize Ananas is thinking of a screaming helpless person tied to a bed wanting a cracker as being the inhumane situation that it appears to be. But what is more humane? Leaving a crazy person loose on the streets to hurt others, or keep them put away? Innocent people get hurt and killed all the time by crazy people on pills that even the dr's don't know how they work.
And a person like this can't be expected to make a wise decision on rather they want to die or not. I mean, gee they are mentally ill.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 11:49 other posts 
I just described several solutions between walking around freely and getting strapped to a bed.

Do you really care about innocent people get hurt and killed?
I have not seen many examples of you really caring about people.
At the very least, there is a whole lot of people you care 0% about.

To me, it's just a principle, simply the 'golden rule':
V1) “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
V2) “What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others.”
V3) “Treat others the way they would like to be treated.”

Or just how Mahatma Gandhi said it: “The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members.”

Or Hubert Humphrey (U.S. Vice President, 1977–1981), who in a 1977 speech said: “The moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped.”
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 12:05 other posts 
that was all well and good back then.
But now the crazys about out number the sane. the problem has been glossed over until it is all but mainstream. And yet ,people are wondering what is wrong!!
To many asylums closed. beautiful buildings rotting down, that served a great purpose. Of course there was abuse, people get angry when their hard work is ignored or people disobey or attempt harm. some people get lost on the revenge wagon. but for the most part, these places need to be refurbished and filled to capacity.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 06:33 other posts 
"the crazys about out number the sane"
A fitting explanation for Trump's presidency.
I have to disagree. Strapping down people is NOT best for ANYONE.
Yes, here is how you judge this: what would you want for YOURSELF.
If I had to exist strapped down to a bed, I would want to be DEAD.
If I needed to be drugged out of my mind, I would want to be DEAD.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 11:49 other posts 
you are of semi sound mind now and saying that. But if you were mentally ill out of your brain, you wouldn't. you would want to live to chase a butterfly or live to eat a pillow or live to beat a old lady and etc.
you are forgetting, we are not talking about logical,sane people here, we are talking about people that are nuts beyond function
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 12:27 other posts 
If I was at the mercy of your American mental healthcare,
I would prefer to be death, because there would be no hope.

There is no way to convince me that there is a mental state where people prefer to be strapped down or being completely sedated, instead of getting anything better. This is purely a case of cost vs care.

There is only one mental state where people prefer to be cared for as cheaply as possible, instead of with empathy and sympathy, and that's what you are indoctrinated to want for people. Your cult celebrates cruelty, not just for terrorists, criminals, illegals, drug-addicts, Palestinians, the poor, the mentally ill, the minorities, people with other political opinions or women, but even for yourself.

You think human rights are nonsense. To you, the tiniest sliver of lack of
self-responsibility equals a justification for elimination.
You don't see a need to minimize cruelty, to achieve a goal, as long as
you think that the goal is justified.
I asked ChatGPT to determine your ideology on these values. It calls it: Totalitarian mindset / Machiavellian amorality.
I call it 'mental illness'. Maybe we should put you away to protect society.
Just a nice, clean apartment, without any sharp objects to hurt people with.
The door doesn't even need to be locked, security will safely contain you.
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Here is 1 of your shining stars and the death he caused.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 12:41 other posts 
We are not living in the Minority Report.
You cannot predict who will do this.
If you allow the government to lock people up as a precaution,
you allow them to lock up ANYONE THEY WANT.

You are asking to give up all of your freedoms, for the idea of safety.
Well, they are prepared to TAKE your freedoms, for the idea of safety.
But, you are not willing to give up your idea of safety, for actual safety.

I'm not willing to sacrifice my actual safety for the idea of safety.
I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedom for either.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 13:45 other posts 
why must i sacrifice my safety so the mentally ill can feel free>?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 03:01 other posts 
"feel free"? You want to lock everyone up who you consider a slight risk.

You are sacrificing everyone's freedom, because you want to FEEL safe.
Guns are not actual safety, they provide you with the IDEA of safety.
In actuality, America's gun addiction makes everyone more UNSAFE.
Nowhere else in the modern world are people being killed even near
as much as in your country.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 21:17 other posts 
Oh and geee, we can even mix in the race card!!! racism at it's finest, So um, racism, mental illness, homeless ,what else is this guy? Had he been put somewhere, 1, he would not have been homeless, 2, he would not have hurt anyone. A win win. but no, read it,

"
The man who is accused of fatally stabbed a Ukrainian refugee on a Charlotte, North Carolina, train can be heard saying "I got that white girl" while other passengers sat and stood by."

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 03:16 other posts 
Firearms account for about 79% of homicides in the US.
Sharp objects (e.g., knives) account for about 8.1% of homicides.

You can of course mix in the race card. Most homicides in the US are committed by Black/African Americans. It's only logical that people who are growing up way more often in poor, dangerous communities, with much less chances to make it, will be over-represented in homicide and other crime statistics.
If you wanted to solve that, you would need DEI. However, you prefer to never solve any problems and vote for people who just mirror your anger about those problems and blame the victims.

Name one solution that your MAGA politicians have proposed to reduce crime, without being cruel to anyone, take freedoms away from anyone
or reduce the quality of life of anyone.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 07:51 other posts 
you are looking at it backwards.
No one should give 2 shits about the freedoms of a criminal.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 10:46 other posts 
And that's where your wrong. Do you still care about The Constitution?

Article I

Section 9

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

"No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

Section 10

"No State shall ... pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law..."

Article III

Section 2

"The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed."

Section 3

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

"The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

Amendments

Amendment IV

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Amendment V

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Amendment VI

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Amendment VIII

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Amendment XIII, Section 1

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Amendment XIV, Section 1

"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 21:25 other posts 
no need to put me away, i have no need or desire to harm anyone unless they intend harm against me or someone i care about.
I know you would stand back and let a thug kill off your entire family without lifting a finger and offer them a cup of tea with some truffles but that is just not the nature of some people.

I know that is a stretch but your mindset sure does convey that message.

I just can't see how you justify leaving dangerous people loose and think it is ok for others to feel threatened all the time.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 06:36 other posts 
You are the fearful one, not me. I forego the ability to defend myself with easy lethal force, for more safety for everyone. I would still defend my family, with the tools that are available to me. Guns are undeniably resulting in more danger to everyone in your country. I want my government to restrict them, so we are all safer. Your FEELING of safety results in actual danger. You can keep denying it, but that's just delusional or dishonest, depending on if you actually believe it. I think you don't.

The ideas you help to spread and normalize are an inspiration
to many crazies, who do lots of harm.
Those ideas helped elect Trump, who is doing lots of harm.
You are supporting a genocide.
You are supporting Putin's propaganda, to further his imperialist goals.
You are supporting the kidnapping of innocent people to prison camps.
You are supporting arbitrary detention of vulnerable people.
You are supporting the elimination of healthcare for many people.
You are supporting the return of almost eradicated infectious diseases.
You are supporting the cancellation of crucial medical research.
You are supporting that under@ge r@pe victims don't get justice.
You are supporting government control over women's bodies.
You are supporting the destruction of a social safety net that many people rely on.
You are supporting the destruction of an independent constitutional state.
You are supporting the destruction of free and fair elections.
You are supporting the destruction of freedom of speech.
You are supporting the destruction of independent education.
You are supporting the destruction of just plain old decency in politics.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 07:56 other posts 
i want **** victims to get justice, I just ask they actually work toward that justice promptly instead of waiting years.
You never present a solution for the abuse of social safety nets.
I want independant education. I want parents to be able to send their kids to the schools of their choice. Private schools would offer better choices and better quality education than public.
several others of that list are wrong. you just can't see but 1 solution and that is to leave a corrupt socialist government in charge of everything important in our lives.
And you are SO naive if you trust the government with your safety. you may as well bungie jump every day off a bridge,
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 11:14 other posts 
The law works as fast as freedom allows. If you want it to work faster,
that requires more money.

We differ in opinion on what abuse of social safety nets would be.
To me, they are a tool to achieve more equality, to benefit everyone.
For as much as you are referring to real fraud, that's mostly a lie from people who want to destroy social safety nets.

Parents are not the only ones who should have freedom in education and religion, so should children. Children should be protected from the most extreme delusions of their parents, whether they may be extremely religious, extremely conservative or extremely 'woke'. Your views are not the average of the American public, so education shouldn't just bow to your will. The choice should be limited to at maximum varying mildly around the middle.

Private schools only provide better quality at much higher costs. Most people cannot afford that, so public education should be the standard.

What reason do you have to add corrupt to 'socialist government in charge'? Your capitalist system is incredibly corrupt.

You still don't fucking understand the term 'socialist'.
You still think it's the same as 'communist'. Will you ever learn?

The term 'socialist' means owned and controlled by ALL the people.
The term 'communist' means owned and controlled by the government.
The term 'capitalist' means owned and controlled by a wealthy minority.

In both communism and capitalism, the people are trusting a minority to handle their best interests, in socialism we maximize democratic control
to best serve our interests by means of compromise. That means that I would trust YOU more to find a solution together, than I trust some ruling elites to power over me. That reduces the division in a country, because the elites intentionally divide the people, to serve themselves.

Private schools are capitalist schools. They are owned by companies, investors or wealthy owners. The owners control and shape it to serve THEM, not the people for who it is intended. That's corruption, by definition.

Socialist education would mean that we all pay for it through taxes. We all have a voice in how to shape it, so it benefits all of us. We, the people, will prevent it from getting corrupted, with our combined voice.

I DON'T trust the government. I am not a communist, I am a SOCIALIST.
I trust that people can work out their problems best together, instead of handing over our power to one dictator or a group of ruling elites.
That's because one person or a small group of people can inflict too much damage with that power. We cannot of course do politics with 17 million (or in your case 330 million) people. So, we need representatives to make compromises for all of us, to solve problems effectively. And we keep a damn close eye on them, so they don't abuse their power.

The same applies to the monopoly on the legitimate use of force.
Guns are too powerful in the hands of the random person.
They can inflict too much damage with it.
So, we need representatives to protect our safety. And we keep a damn close eye on them, so they don't abuse their power.

You don't have to agree, but it would be nice if you understood.

"several others of that list are wrong"
The politicians who you elected are doing exactly what I said.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 12:00 other posts 
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Ok so not straped to a bed, what is this guy going to do all day?
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I had no idea it would be hard to find a decent video depicting a actual crazy person banging around. there are all kinds of people getting mad at games and crap but none of actual nut cases just sitting around banging their heads and such for demonstration purpose.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 12:51 other posts 
Are you arguing FOR me or against me?

Was that person crazy BEFORE they locked him up
or did he turn that way from the 'treatment'?

When 'treatment' looks the same as torture, it isn't treatment.

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By phart [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 21:18 other posts 
now why would anyone put a sane person in there? DUH?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Sep,25 03:36 other posts 
There is a whole lot of space between 'sane' and that.
The most stable person in the world would be damaged by your 'treatment'.

Your mental institutions often do great damage to people.
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Judges in the US often have your attitude to mental illness.
Many people who pose no danger at all are already locked up like you want.

Based on extrapolation from eight states that provide data on it, there were over one million emergency psychiatric detentions annually between 2013 and 2015.
The fact that 42 states don't even provide data on this is ridiculous.

In my country, around the same period, we had on average 8,300 emergency psychiatric detentions. That's 120 times less for a population that is 19 times smaller than yours.
By bella! [Ignore] 04,Sep,25 21:51 other posts 
I agree with your assessment because the saying is; “Where there's a will, there's a way”.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,25 19:49 other posts 
sadly that's the case.
Yes, and then you try to take away the WILL, not just take the WAY.

Am I the only one who thinks that strapping a suicidal person to a bed
is a crime against humanity? Did you have any thoughts about this?
By phart [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 07:29 other posts 
Well,if strapping them to a bed keeps them from harming others or themselves, yes it is humane to keep the rest of us safe, more humane than letting them harm innocent bystanders such as kids in a school, or themselves.
Would you want to get bombed or shot while minding your own business simply because a person wasn't happy with what's in their pants?, i don't
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 08:31 other posts 
No, it would be more humane to just euthanize them.
Imagine yourself strapped to a bed for the rest of your life.
The fact that you support this for people who MIGHT do something awful,
is absolute dystopian lunacy. How many people are you talking about?

Do you think your former girlfriend was going to bomb or shoot people?

Nowhere in the modern world are kids as unsafe in school as in the US.
But instead of addressing mental healthcare in a civilized way and keeping guns away from the crazy, your solutions are MORE guns and strap everyone who is not happy in your awful country to a bed. Will that Make America Great Again?
Great like in the 1800's? You have an awful idea of history, if you want that.
Even you are living in absolute luxury compare to what was normal then.
You are also living in blissful freedom compared with people of those times.

Why do people like you want to turn back the clock to savage times?
Would you go back to then, when you get a one way trip in a time machine?
By phart [Ignore] 08,Sep,25 09:15 other posts 
what part of these humane ideas not working doesn't register with you? They are trying medicines for these people, they go out and shoot, they are trying surgery's and they go out and bomb, and etc.
Would my girlfriend have harmed me after she woke up and was able, probably if she had been able to because she was angry i called for help and she lived.
people that have mental issues are not like you and I. We argue and discuss things and don't agree, but we dont' harm each other. Mentally ill people get mad if there is nothing to get mad about, get mad if they don't get what they want and so on. unpredictable.
and there is discussion about gun control for some issues,
there were a couple recent shootings involving people not happy with what's in their pants,
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,25 10:23 other posts 
What is your argument for saying that my humane ideas are not working?
Your country is having a massive problem, not mine.
Are Americans suffering from mental illness more, somehow?
How about you explain that? Are Americans genetically inferior?

Or am I right in saying that your society is fucked up?
If so, why is that not the result from your ideas?
We are dealing with all problems in the opposite way, and we don't have
your problems. A smart person would learn something from that.

How is she living now? Still strapped to a bed? That's not a life.
If that was done to my ex-girlfriend, I would create media outrage until
she was treated humanely. The fact that you accept this is mind-boggling to me.

I have seen mental illness from a short distance. The mother of my brother's
ex-wife was quite crazy. She was in forced mental care several times in her life. I have not heard that she was ever locked up in an isolation cell, the "padded room", which is the most extreme version. The lesser version is a "seclusion room", which is more like a hotel room, but with everything bolted to the floor, below that is the "extra-secure room", which looks like a normal apartment without heavy furnishings to throw with, but with camera surveillance. Those are all temporary measures, in case of a mental health crisis. Fore everyone who is communicative, they have a pretty normal room. They just don't give them any metal knives and forks. The door isn't even locked. They have enough personnel to not have to do that. There is just 24/7 HELP. She was there several times, sometimes a few days, but longest for at least a month. Other than that, she was able to live a 'normal' life. I have visited her for birthday parties several times. She was a bit weird, but I've never seen her freak out. When there is people around, they mostly are able to keep it together.
My brother has seen some episodes though, mostly with a boyfriend.
She had multiple, who lasted between weeks and at maximum a few years.
My brother always got along with them. He saw some huge quarrels, where a guy was pointed to the door by her. That was a usual thing. One came back several times, letting her cool off for a few days, and then it was OK for a while. The stories were interesting. That lasted well into their marriage, until his ex-wife (still wife then) was tired of her mother. She couldn't handle the drama all the time. That lasted one or two years, and then she heard that her mother hang herself from the staircase. I think she just got tired of herself.
Unfortunately, her daughter had some of her 'crazy genes'. My brother is a patient guy, so I didn't see any huge quarrels, but I've seen her flip out several times, over absolutely nothing. In the end she broke the marriage. He had to finish his house, sell it, and pay her off with about $20,000. She found an apartment somewhere and no one has heard from her in years. He has a new girlfriend, a new house renovation project taking years, and the second son on the way.

There is a record of under 10 known transgender suspects out of
4,400 shootings (~0.11%).
The largest group of mass shooters are right-wing extremists.
I know your right-wing media is telling to take guns away from trans people, because they present them as a threat. However, if there is one group of people who is in need of self-defense, it's trans people, which is threatened by right-wing extremists.
It's simple, take away the guns from right-wing extremists, problem solved!


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