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Started by Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Nov,22 05:44  other posts
What are your proposals for Elon Musk, to make Twitter that free public square of ideas, that most people hope he turns Twitter into. Do you think it will be possible to have Twitter exist without any rules on what you are allowed to say or post on it? Do you think some rules are 'common sense'? How does the law apply to it? And should it be free (financially) or would Twitter also allow 'free speech', if Elon introduces subscriptions, requiring payment on a monthly basis, for features that used to be free?

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Jan,23 10:05 other posts 
Musk sued over unpaid rent by King Charles III's Crown Estate
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By tecsan [Ignore] 25,Jan,23 22:36 other posts 
And your point is?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Jan,23 05:00 other posts 
Twitter is not paying their rent.
Why? Don't they want to, or are they not able to?
Can normal people not pay their rent and get away with it?
Your a capitalist; do contracts not matter anymore?
Are no 'points' appearing in your brain, if you hear that news?
By phart [Ignore] 26,Jan,23 09:44 other posts 
May be wanting to renegotiate the contract and the other party refuses?
May be looking for cheaper space and thought the landlord would offer a lower rate if they stayed?

Besides, the "royal" family is wealthy enough, they shouldn't even be collecting rent. they should be letting company's use the land and buildings rent free.It's not like the people of london are being screwed. who cares about a rich king getting the shaft?
You wouldn't care if Trump wasn't being paid rent would you?
Same difference.

But yes ,contracts and rent should be honored but there is probably more to the story than we are being told. The buildings may not be up to code? The buildings may be lacking Maintenace and updates? violations of a contract perhaps? Lets hear all the story first.

If you rented a car and it stayed in the shop more than you were able to use it, you would eventually get tired of paying rent for something you did not get any good out of right?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Jan,23 05:25 other posts 
Can normal people renegotiate the contract, by not paying their bills?

"May be looking for cheaper space and thought the landlord would offer a lower rate if they stayed?" Exactly, that's how you do it in capitalism. And then you leave and pay your bills, up to the last day of use. Or you start a lawsuit if you have good arguments about being coerced.

I have no love for the royal family, but why do you care? All people who own and rent out massive property are wealthy. And now that one capitalist is doesn't hold up to a contract with another capitalist, it matters that one is royalty?
IS ELON MUSK NOT WEALTHY ENOUGH TO PAY HIS RENT?

If Trump was not paid the rent that someone owes him and there was no lawful reason for that, I would stand for the law.

"there is probably more to the story than we are being told" If arguments are presented in Twitter's/Elon Musks favor, than I might agree. I do not assume there is 'more to the story' until it's presented, just because I like one of the sides. That's what right-wingers do; taking the side they like most, no matter the evidence or lack of evidence.
By tecsan [Ignore] 27,Jan,23 01:29 other posts 
A socialist/democat can get by with anything right? In answer to your question " Can normal people not pay their rent and get away with it?". Come on ananas2xlekker, you know that if you are a socialist right now in the US, then you have it made for a few more years. I agree with phart on the rent free part. You want the benefits of this country and capitalism, but you want to bitch if you do not get your way.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Jan,23 05:48 other posts 
You say "In answer to your question" and then answer nothing.

"if you are a socialist right now in the US, then you have it made for a few more years" Because now the corporate neo-liberals protect the status quo for a while, instead of the fascists turning the US even further in a theocratic oligarchy, leftists have reached all their goals?

As long as I live in a capitalist system, I obey its rules.
If I protest the exploitative nature of it, I do it by the rules democracy has provided.

'bitching if you do not get your way' is exactly what Elon Musk is doing.
He is the wealthiest capitalist in the world and he is not playing by the rules of either capitalism or democracy, by refusing to pay his rent. He is just breaking the law.
You normally pretend to hate everyone who breaks the law, but that is only for people that you don't like. You just like when Elon Musk breaks the law, because you see him as god-emperor now, since you think he will allow the N-word and your fascist leader on Twitter, even when you are not on Twitter yourself. Did you like Elon and rush to protect Elon, when he was just selling electric cars?

[It's not free speech to break the first amendment, with racism, by threatening people, inciting violence, defaming your opponents, asking for campaign donations and using it fraudulently to enrich yourself, be obscene just by being yourself and use fighting words and threats daily. Except for child porn, Trump has violated every TOS that social media are required by law to have.]
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Racism is not in there? Correct, it has it's own laws overruling free speech laws.
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Elon Musk doesn't give a damn about free speech. He just want to decide what IS 'free speech' on his platform. And make that speech not FREE anymore, but have
his users PAY for it. The users must pay, for dumb Elon paying twice the value.
Meanwhile the value is dropping, because Elon is firing all the human resources that the company had developed. People are a company's greatest asset.
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The idiot even fired the people who sell the ads to advertisers. That's 89% of Twitter's revenue, you could say; the whole business model.
Besides that, a bird logo and the value of legitimacy, that once Twitter had, the value of the company is nothing. And they are even selling that bird logo: only registered users can see external links
By tecsan [Ignore] 28,Jan,23 03:54 other posts 
Stop it, you know that the libturds are having fun with all they're BS.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Jan,23 06:04 other posts 
After watching 2 videos with Yanis Varoufakis, the YouTube algorithm served me another of Yanis Varoufakis and other people, talking about why Elon Musk wanted to buy Twitter.

For everyone that the YouTube algorithm shows other voices:
'What does Elon Musk Really Want with Twitter? - Dec 2022'
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By leopoldij [Ignore] 04,Jan,23 14:34 other posts 
Can you please summarise the why in one sentence? Alas, I've no time to watch this hour+ long video.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jan,23 01:31 other posts 
Hey, take the time to get educated,is that not what your side thinks the other side should do? Don't be a hypocrite,order a pizza and sit back and watch
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 06:42 other posts 
Did you?
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 07:21 other posts 
Go fuck yourself. Who's talking about education? The most ignorant backwards fascistoid person around!
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 11:01 other posts 
go ask your girl friend if you can jack off!
maybe if you are nice she might "ALLOW" you to.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 11:09 other posts 
She does allow me, in fact I love masturbating and being watched by her and her female friends. Besides fucking, masturbating while being watched is a huge pleasure for me.
Not in one sentence, but I can give the main point:

Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, but what he doesn't have is control over the people. Jeff Bezos, with Amazon, has power over lots of consumers, to determine with algorithms who sees what products, from which reseller. He has the power to give and take away a marketplace for entrepreneurs, controlling their voice against his dominance. And he owns The Washington Post.
Google and YouTube have the power to control information with algorithms, controlling the source of information and controlling who has access to which information.
Every wealthy person wants control over information and the digital economy.
Elon Musk didn't have that yet, but it was worth 44 billion to him, to get it.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 07:19 other posts 
Thank you for this. I really appreciate it.
It's amazing that this is happening.
I still can't quite believe that we live in the era of only registered users can see external links
It's a shifty world.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 10:39 other posts 
Only because the people allow it to happen.
They do not trust the government, but they somehow do trust
wealthy people and corporations to not exploit them.

Trusting Elon Musk with free speech is like trusting a wolf to guard your sheep.
But to some people free speech is just being allowed to say the n-word.
Elon might allow that and then ban anything he doesn't like personally.
It shouldn't be up to him or some other random wealthy guy,
that's what people invented democracy and the law for.

I support regulating all social media like public utilities and not allow them
to have their own Terms of Service limiting what people can say on their platforms
or who they are allowed to ban. And I would restrict the hell out of algorithms.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 11:10 other posts 
I fully and wholeheartedly agree with you.
By #610414 06,Jan,23 12:08
No,no,no. Regulation of free speech is the same as regulation of ideas. What we need is enlightment brought to the masses. That can happen only if education, real, unbiased, education is made mandatory and government funded, free for all. Musk has a big mouth and, unfortunately, trash spews from it, but, we have ears that we can control not to listen. Ananas, you, Leo, and I, have listened to reality, but, it was by chance. In this thread you also have an example of what a poor education produces. It let's the Musks of this world to gain control of brainwashed minds. And, Musk, Bezos, Trump, and others like them shows us that there's also a type of mind that is born to try to control others. They have to be checked.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 13:52 other posts 
government funded is where I stopped agreeing with what you said,
The idea of government regulating free speech puts it in a position to create a dictatorship.
For example ,had Trump been given the power to take CNN's funding,and result in it's being off the air ,that would fit in your idea of government funding ,and government control. would you want that?
By #610414 06,Jan,23 17:38
No, and that's not what I advocated for. I said, "let the government pay for the cost, not control it."
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,23 01:06 other posts 
How often do you willing pay for something but have no say in it?
You honestly expect the government to pay for something but not stick their fingers in it??
I have some cheap beach front property in north dakota for sale.
Purse strings are leashes.
You get the government you vote for. If they take way free speech it's your fault.
You don't get to vote who owns Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. or what they allow you to say, using their private property. Once they eliminate the competition, which they have and always will, you have no say over them taking away free speech.

I know your government isn't 'of the people, by the people, for the people',
but it should be. Then you're in control, because it's then 'public property',
not the 'private property' of some random wealthy sociopath.
That's why government control is better than corporate control.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,Dec,22 03:10 other posts 


He was at 56.4% 'Yes', 2 hours ago.

Another dumb move, unless he wants to make some other person CEO.
By phart [Ignore] 20,Dec,22 23:58 other posts 
He owns it so even if there is another CEO, he can sell the thing or close it down.
Besides,it could be construed as racist to expect him to step down since he is African American.
By tecsan [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 00:07 other posts 
A socialist weighing in says "Another dumb move, unless he wants to make some other person CEO." You ever wonder if he probably knew the outcome before doing this?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 00:29 other posts 
I am thankful that Elon is exposing for all to see how our government was controlling what twitter did for the most part in response to the laptop and other stuff. Former fbi working for twitter? I mean really? how much better way to censor what Americans can see than to infiltrate the companys people use to communicate ?
By tecsan [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 02:23 other posts 
But, what other companies are doing this and we do not know? Wait we know, just cannot prove it.
Yes, another dumb move!
Because he lost his poll and doesn't want to step down now.
If he knew he would lose this poll, why did he do it?
It's making him look like a loser, to most of the world.
Only dumb-asses like you can think this is somehow positive.

He's calling his own poll 'rigged' and blaming a 'bot army'.
Is he, as owner and CEO, not in the best position to prove that?
So where is that prove? What is the real outcome of the poll then?

If Elon thinks this is good for Twitter, he's a dumb-ass.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 12:06 other posts 
it was on the news he was stepping down this morning when he finds a replacement.
He will still have control over key things though.
He responded to the poll as he said he would.
I think liberals are just mad at him and want to hat3 on him because he is exposing what everyone was trying to say,that twitter was being censored by the government.He is showing proof.I hope he dumps all the dirt, showing just how sinister the democrat operation really is.
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Dec,22 00:28 other posts 
Ananas2xlekker, I said he knew the results, I did not say that he had to win. Who the hell has the final say, the CEO or the owner? Damn, that was hard to imagine right.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 11:02 other posts 
If he had known the results upfront, he wouldn't have done that poll,
because it makes him look like a clown.

If Elon wanted to be just the owner and have a new CEO lead Twitter,
because he understands that he is a dumb-ass, who is wrecking the company
and his investment, he could have done that in a much less humiliating way.


By phart [Ignore] 13,Dec,22 14:24 other posts 
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I am starting to really like Elon Musk.
He says what is on his mind and that of many others.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Dec,22 06:48 other posts 
Really? He is saying what is on his mind, but unfortunately, it's all surprisingly dumb.
I never considered him to be a genius, but he's now showing actual stupidity.
I really didn't think he was that dumb. How the hell did he have so much success?
Just another narcissist failing upward, apparently. Or dumb luck.
Only in the USA can a dumb-ass become a billionaire.
By phart [Ignore] 14,Dec,22 10:34 other posts 
He himself said that he does not have to know everything,he just hires people that do know what is needed.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Dec,22 03:29 other posts 
He's firing all the people who know what is needed. Haven't you heard?
He doesn't pay severance pay for all the people he fired and he fired his lawyer.

He stopped paying rent for all Twitter offices, to cut costs.
It doesn't work that way. Can you stop paying your rent, to cut costs?
Maybe he didn't mean to stop paying rent, but he just fired the bill paying guy.
He's a dumb-ass!!

Even if he destroys Twitter and loses $44 billion, you will still think he's a genius.
If you don't have a brain, it's hard to recognize a good one.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Dec,22 08:53 other posts 
I think his was invited to bring twitter to florida, Probably will be some tax advantages and it will provide jobs for people in a state that actually work and enjoy the benefits of their work.
Besides
,i bet the rent is ridicules where it is located now.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Dec,22 08:52 other posts 
The previous Twitter management seemed to be able to pay rent and wages.
If he would get a nice tax handout to move to Florida, I would call that a smart move.
But, he has not done anything smart in the whole Twitter debacle, so far.

Tesla stock has been dropping hard, because his investors and customers now understand what a dumb-ass he is. Do you think conservatives will start investing in and buying electric cars now? If that happens, I will call Elon a genius.

Elon will never make $44 billion+ from changing Twitter into Fascist-Social.
There are not enough right-wingers and companies who want to advertise on a
right-wing hangout, to ever make that a good money making strategy.
Twitter will just disappear, another better moderated social media company
will just take over and Elon will lose his $44 billion.
By #610414 14,Dec,22 11:47
Fortunately, "many others" means a fringe group with more than three but less than 50
By phart [Ignore] 14,Dec,22 22:14 other posts 
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more than 7 out of 10? is a fringe group??
By #610414 15,Dec,22 00:12
The Rasmussen survey chronicled the responses of

1,000 likely voters over a two-day period (Dec. 12-13).

It was conducted by Public Opinion Research, LLC, with a margin-of-error rate of 3 percentage points.

Wow, yes, that's a mighty big poll. You know what? I say, " Let them investigate." We need another big laugh served by you Repuckers.
Sure, first you fill the head of the public with absolute bullshit and then you ask them if they believe it. Great strategy, especially in America where the biggest percentage of dumb people live, compared to the rest of the first world.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Dec,22 08:58 other posts 
You act like the polls are supposed to be like jury selection or something.
Not really possible for everyone in the US not to have a opinion on stuff because of the mass media.
No one with common sense would deny a virus can travel by air. But i remember VERY well, listening to felchy,fauci saying we didn't need mask for at least 2 months of the plandemic.
Giving it 1 hell of a head start to spread accross the country.
AND i personally watched the maps early on and when the cruise ships released the first infected people and they went home, you could literally watch the case numbers grow along I95 and other major hwys that they traveled on.
Fauci could and should have dictated those people STAY on those ships until the virus was dealt with, He did nothing to stop that spread.
The man allows to much to go wrong. Also,if he was being honest about the vaccines and so forth,why are the records sealed for 75 fucking years in regards to their testing and the results???? The sumbitch is hiding alot, and I don't need mass media to change my mind or fill it full of bullshit.I am capable of some deductive reasoning on my own.
By #610414 15,Dec,22 12:01
Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI (see 30-second mark).

The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

CAT
The CDC is the ultimate word on infectious deseases in this country. Less than one month after Dr Fauci made that statement the CDC advocated for masks. I remember Trump saying (he said a lot of crap about Covid) that we didn't need to worry about Covid around that time. Dr Fauci was the medical advisor to Trump, not the official agency that was responsible for warning people of the dangers of Covid.
If you vilify Fauci 24/7, then people think there is any truth to the claims.
And then you see a poll about Fauci as verification of the truth.

That's like Russians believing that the attack on Ukraine was warranted.
If the people hear nothing but propaganda they will believe it.
By phart [Ignore] 20,Dec,22 23:57 other posts 
Well the poll says alot of people think fauci did wrong.

You finally figured it out,but got it backwards.
THE American people are being treated just like the Russian people.
We are fed bullshit from only 1 side and are expected to believe it. THe democrats feed us bullshit and we are just supposed to ask for the salt shaker.


By phart [Ignore] 20,Dec,22 23:55 other posts 
You know,it didn't cross my mind today that Elon could actually start using the race card.
He is African American!
He was born in Pretoria, South Africa.
So be carful in your rants about him and his work he could claim it was racist and sue you and cancel you and all that jazz.


By tecsan [Ignore] 18,Dec,22 00:36 other posts 
Get rid of the libturds inside the business should do the job.


By wycowboy [Ignore] 04,Nov,22 12:38 other posts 
I don't use twitter so what Elon decides to do or not don't with it is not my business and I don't care.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Nov,22 18:19 other posts 
I don't use Twitter either, but I still care.
By phart [Ignore] 04,Nov,22 18:40 other posts 
I don't use twitter either and really don't give a shit what happens but i feel like as a citizen, if it is going to be a place for people to share their feelings and opinion's ,it needs to be run in a way that ALL have a chance to say what they want to.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 04,Nov,22 21:00 other posts 
I don't give a shit about Twitter either.
I couldn't care less if it didn't exist.
I support the right for people to share ANY opinion and feeling.

However, I do not support absolute free speech, which includes knowingly spreading false information with the intent to harm specific people, the intent to scam people, to threaten people or to incite violence on people. These are exceptions to free speech according to US law and I support those. The Netherlands has something pretty similar.

However, is it still free speech if Elon starts asking money for verification, he obliterates any criticism of him personally and maybe soon his companies, he decides who actually gets to see the tweets and he still keeps up all the invasions of privacy and collecting of information that Twitter has been doing?
By dgraff [Ignore] 27,Nov,22 07:12 other posts 
One thing for certain you socialists sure do love to pat yourself on the back it’s a good trick now let me know when you can suck yourself off I’ve never seen a more brag ga do cious group in all my life
By phart [Ignore] 27,Nov,22 14:11 other posts 
well from what I remember reading Marilyn manson had some ribs took out so he could suck his own? so don't dare them, they might do it.

You can't keep saying things like "how much stupider can you get"? to liberals, they take it as a dare or make a mission to find out.
By dgraff [Ignore] 27,Nov,22 15:15 other posts 
How am I patting myself on the back here?
Are you acknowledging that I was right, that free speech is not helped
by some rich asshole buying up a social media company?
Musk doesn't care about free speech, he cares about money, power and praise.

All the right-wingers were enthusiastic about Elon Musk buying Twitter, because he said he would let your orange buffoon back on. Even if he did, that would only be temporary, because advertisers don't like to be associated with fascists.
That's not a good revenue model to run a big social media company like Twitter.
And because Musk paid $44 billion, he doesn't want to let it sink to the dark corners of the internet, where Trump's stupid fascist ideas belong. Free speech doesn't guarantee an audience or advertisers who want to be associated with it.

My selfsucking days are over. At 49, I will never be flexible enough again.
By #610414 14,Dec,22 08:03
I can still lick my nipples. Does that count? 🤣🤣😈


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