I know you think that, but it's just sad that you can consider Trump better than literally anyone. He is both the worst and most criminal president your country ever had.

When I ask you to explain why Trump is better, you come with nonsense about the economy (which was much worse after Trump and is doing pretty good now) and legitimate concerns over his mental health, which would be a good point if Trump was not the alternative, because Trump is suffering even worse mental health issues and he is ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUSLY CRAZY.

Come up with a reason that I can agree are actually in line with your opinions,
in stead of reasons that are not in line with reality.
What do you think is so important, that makes you consider voting for a narcissistic, pathetically petty, treasonous, raping, fornicating, lying, dumb-as-dirt, mentally declining, wannabe dictator, who has no intention to give you anything you consider important, but only wants to run for president to pardon himself for all the crimes he committed and to extract more donations from his gullible followers and scrape every cent from the Republican party that is crumbling under his mismanagement?

It looks like that is the law in the USA.
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In The Netherlands we have more freedoms to protest.
We do have a right to bother people, during protesting.
The police even blocks the roads for notified protests.

If you find yourself in the middle of a protest, that's your own fault.
Extinction rebellion blocked our A12 many times. That's annoying,
I agree, but we just plan around it.

The farmers blocked several roads, when we went on vacation to Limburg, 2 years ago. It took us almost 2 hours extra and we had to drive through Belgium. I am not on their side, but I still support their right to protests. I also support their right to exist, even though I want massive changes to reduce their pollution. They should not have to pay for that, that's a problem for society to solve.

The Constitution is clear: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".

As long as it falls under 'peaceably to assemble', it should be allowed.

We don't need a permit. In fact, a permit to protest doesn't even exist.
We are obligated to notify the local authorities of a protest, with a form.
Only a mayor has the jurisdiction to prohibit a protest or to impose restrictions, but under very strict guidelines. The police can ask for a copy of the notification form. A mayor cannot prohibit a protest on the grounds that the protest was not notified.

Actually, I haven't heard about his business fraud case in a while. Last I heard, they accepted his $175 million bond, so he could appeal the court order, without his assets being forfeited. They should never have accepted that $175 million bond, because it violated all kinds of rules. The prosecutors were working on that, but I haven't heard any more. Everyone is now focusing on the election interference case, with Stormy Daniels.

Meanwhile Trump is begging for money from anyone, to pay for his legal fees and fines. That is making him a big target for quid pro quo. You think Don Hankey is giving Trump $175 million, just because he likes him? He knows Trump never pays his debts, so he is getting something else for it. That alone should be a reason to ban Trump from running for office.

If you don't want a clown show, you shouldn't support a clown.
In fact, you lot voted for a clown INTENTIONALLY, to "shake things up".
This is the result, if you do such a thing; a fucking clown show. Happy now?

Some freedoms are more important than others.

When they block the road, you can find another road.
That's an inconvenience, not a violation of your freedoms and rights.
There is no freedom or right to get anywhere in an efficient time.
That would make traffic jams a human rights abuse.

Freedom of speech and the freedom to protest is not limited by a right
of people to not be inconvenienced or offended, it is exactly a right to inconvenience and offend people. If it didn't inconvenience or offend people, you wouldn't need any laws to protect those rights.

Understand that when you support taking away freedoms, that you loose them for yourself too. You might want them some day.

Actually, right-wingers are constantly protesting hospitals giving gender affirming care to people. How would you like them to get their heads cracked by the police? I would say they are more than inconveniencing those patients. Are you consistent in the idea that those protests should be illegal too?

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You're wrong, interfering with the daily life or commuting of the common citizens is part of the freedom to protest.

The whole freedom of speech and the right to protest is based on
getting people to think, instead of moving along their daily lives.

Don't you understand why? Because anyone could claim a protest
is interfering with their daily life, when they don't like the protest,
making every and all protests impossible.

If you don't like freedom, go to Saudi Arabia or Russia.
Leave freedom alone, for Americans who do like freedom.

While the National Enquirer killed negative publicity for Trump about him fucking porn-stars and models, they also posted whatever fake-news they could make up on Hillary.
This is all admitted to in court by David Pecker, owner of the National Enquirer, calling it "checkbook journalism".

But, sure the liberal media is 'fake news'.

We call that the Anecdotal fallacy. You find one guy with a criminal record, to make a claim that they are all bad. There are thousands of protesters and you can only find this guy? He's arrested and probably getting some time to think about what he did in prison. In my opinion, he deserves that.

When there are protests, you don't know who is attending. I've been protesting too, I don't know who joined us. There might have been horrible people amongst us. The protests were however completely peaceful. When we left,
the city looked exactly the same as before. Still, some nuisance is permitted.
Traffic was blocked for a few hours.

That is how my side of the political aisle protests. At worst a big nuisance, but no violence and no damage. When right-wingers protest, they do massive violence and lots of damage. We have seen it in my country with the Corona protests and the farmers protests. We've seen it from your side on January 6th.

Last Saturday we had Remembrance day. Thousands of people gather at Dam Square and other places throughout the Netherlands to hold two minutes of silence at 8:00 PM, to commemorate the victims of World War II and the holocaust. We kept our two minutes of silence and watched the program on TV until the end. No one disturbed the official proceedings. There were protests going on elsewhere in Amsterdam. They did not keep silent. I think it's possible to respect both the victims of the holocaust and the victims of the current conflict. However, I see too many people wo do not learn from commemorating the victims of the past. They keep supporting atrocity after atrocity. How will the world ever embrace peace, like that?

The protesters are on the right side of history. People who want to restrict those protests are on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of democracy.

You are not supporting equal rights to protest and you do not support equal punishment, when protesters are overstepping their rights. I do.

Anything besides murdering a whole people?

The solution was available around 2000. One state of Israel with half of Bethlehem and Jerusalem for Israel and half of Bethlehem and Jerusalem.

The international community should have enforced that solution and protected it with an independent military force, to keep the peace. Instead of keeping Palestine occupied and controlled, it should have had the dependance that all other countries have. The attack of 7th October would have never happened then.

How do we move forward? First, stop the hostilities. The killing of 40,0000 Palestinians is enough retaliation for what Hamas did. Hamas should NOT be allowed to rule over the Palestinians ever again, so they need a government, a supply chain and a system of law, that should function independently from Muslim extremist donors and independently from Israeli oppression. This should be supported by the international community, until Palestinians can support themselves. It would be a return of most of what was on the table in 2000. Most of the illegal Israeli settlements should be returned to Palestine. Many of the Gaza Palestinians should move to the West bank. Gaza was too overpopulated to be sustainable. Free travel between the West bank and Gaza should be made possible.

That is the only route to peace between Israel and Palestine. Not supporting this route means supporting continuous violence from both sides.

If this solution does not get the support of the world, then the next best solution is to end it now. That doesn't mean murdering all the Palestinians,
it means to come to an international agreement to expropriate Gaza and possibly also the West bank. Palestine will cease to exist and all Palestinians will need to be accepted by willing North African and South Asian countries, that will be well compensated. Israel will be forced to pay for reparations to the Palestinians for decades. Saudi Arabia should play a big role. They are your biggest 'friend' in the area. It's time that you get something for that 'friendship', instead of just oil companies and the military industrial complex making trillions of dollars from it.

Wow, you are genocide condoning monster.
And you understand moral clarity?
Hell awaits you.

There's no use, you're just another douche.

Democratically!

"business is in bussiness to make money, the product is secondary."
In capitalism, exactly! That's the whole problem. That's why the world
is turning to shit, because money is all that people care about.

Money should only be a tool, to make life better, not the goal by itself.

They are not tearing up stuff. They are protesting peacefully.
Protesting is a right, even if it causes a nuisance.

Close to 40,000 Palestinians have been killed.
More journalists have been killed than in WWII.
Israel is doing war-crime after war-crime.
If this is no justification for protesting, what is?

There is a limit to that reciprocation and they are crossing it way too far.
This is genocide and nothing else.

You do go by what the fake news tells you, when you say Biden opened the border. The desert is filled with refugees waiting to get registered. That is a dereliction of your responsibility. Refugees have a right to register for asylum. Then you vet them and find out who are really refugees and let them in. You can turn away all the people who do not qualify and you don't have jobs for. Calling that a risk to your national sovereignty is nonsense.

Why would you think my country has not lost its national sovereignty? Our borders are wide open, everyone can freely walk in. By your logic, that should have destroyed us by now.

I'm educated too and my work is solving problems. It requires analyzing causes and finding the optimal solutions. That is based on logical argumentation.

Everyone thinks what they feel is right and just. That doesn't mean you are right or that I am. However, if you reduce your arguments, to just claiming that you understand moral clarity, than you are wrong by default, because everyone can claim that. It's called the Moralistic fallacy.

You are on a forum to discuss politics. You don't have to stop me, but you can challenge your ideas, by challenging mine.

Preaching is just spouting your beliefs, without having the courage to justify your beliefs. It doesn't matter what you believe, just why you believe it.

OMG another dumb parrot. Biden did not open the border.

Every Palestinian coming to my country would be accepted as a refugee. Everyone who comes to my country asking for asylum is allowed to register for asylum. Not all of them get it, only people who really come from war-stricken countries or people who are being persecuted by horrible regimes for their sexuality or religion. We cannot take in everyone who left a safe country, just for a better future. We are incredibly densely populated; 1,353 people per mi2 versus your 96 people per mi2. Besides, those countries need people in the prime working age, to develop their country too. Those people from safe countries still get the chance to register, but we do not give all of them shelter. We prioritize the actual refugees. It was a bit difficult when all those Ukrainians fled from the Russian attacks. Literally every hotel and sports hall was taking on refugees. There are not many Palestinians coming here, because they cannot get out.

Ask Egypt why they are not letting in refugees. Personally, I think they do it for
a political goal. They don't want Israel to clear out Gaza and steal it for Israel,
so they keep their borders closed and make marters out of the Palestinians.
Maybe they just don't want to take care of 2 million traumatized, radicalized people. It's not like they don't have their own challenges. Maybe they think
when Israel has taken Gaza, they are next.
The US should accept a lot of those Palestinians. You support the destruction of their state. They cannot live there anymore, because of your ally, so it's up to you to take on the people who are now deprived of a place to live.

I admit that I don't like DeSantis, but his popularity numbers showed that Americans don't like him much either. He was very popular before the primaries, when he hadn't been on TV much, but as soon as people started to see him more, his support started dropping. He started out as the biggest challenger of Trump, but he went down fast and Nikki Haley went to second place. There were people voting for her recently, while she had already dropped out. Did you hear that about DeSantis?

Maybe Europe is on the left compared to you, but right-wing policies have resulted in privatization of almost every once publicly owned service. Privatization and maximization of private profits was literally the goal of founding the EU. The EU enforced privatization and prohibits nationalization. If you look at the economic policies, Europe is just as right-wing as the US. It's just the cultural issues and personal freedom issued where we still differ. But, do explain why you think we
have government dominance. I think you are just misinformed.

On cultural issues though, the US is dominating it's citizens more every day. Republicans want to restrict all personal freedoms, like abortion, contraception,
gay marriage and being transgender. You're also restricting the right to protest, organize workers in unions and cracking down on striking. You want government officials to look over the shoulder of healthcare professionals. You want government officials to decide which books are suitable for children and probably in the near future for adults too. How about that type of government dominance?
You want the government to follow people into the bedroom. I don't want that.

You are talking to a Dutch person, who is pretty far on the left for his own country. It's not saying much about the political affiliation of the rest of my country. There are now 4 political parties, ranging from center right to far right, who need to create a new cabinet. They've been at it for 160 days now and it doesn't look like they are any closer to it, than on day 1. Right-wingers always think lefty politics is just impractical bellyaching, but when right-wing politicians actually have to deliver,
they crumble on their incompetence. They are unable to legislate, just like Mike Johnson's House. Can you point to one thing they have done for you? I'll give you one; they put into law that gas stoves cannot be forbidden, because they made up a story that Democrats wanted to do that. Even if it was true, which it wasn't, is that the most important thing they could do? Is that what's important for people to survive and live a good life? Cooking on induction saves you money, especially when you have solar panels on your roof. My solar panels paid for themselves in 4 years, because of high electricity prices. I'm using free electricity while writing this.

Trump hasn't plan anything ever in his life. Even the conspiracy to steal the election, by calling it stolen and replacing the real electors with fake ones, wasn't his idea. He just saw DeSantis as a rival, so he started attacking him with adolescent nicknames. You're supporting a clown. He only want people to idolize him and he's jealous of the power of Putin, Mohammed bin Salman and Kim Jong-un. He wants to be a leader like them and you're confused about The Constitution, thinking it says he should have that power. If your supreme court gives your presidents that power, you'll be sorry, I can assure you. You will feel real 'government dominance' soon.

"domination of the white house for the next 12 years."?
Interesting that you pick the word 'domination'. That doesn't sound like democracy much.

"the country which is bleeding out"? Please explain how it is 'bleeding out'?

How is Biden attacking you countries 'national sovereignty'?
I would understand if you said that my country has not much national sovereignty left, because ours has been mostly stripped away by the EU. The US is in no such organization. Are you referring to NATO, perhaps?
How is NATO stripping the US of its 'national sovereignty'? Because it's helping Ukraine fight Russia? You know why NATO was founded, I hope? It was Europe choosing the US as it's allies, against the big bad Russians. NATO has picked off almost all former allies of Russia away, for the US to do business with and put military bases in. It has reduced the influence of your biggest enemy to great extend. They can only do business with your other enemies now. Investing in Ukraine's ability to defend itself reduces Russia's power even more. If you stop investing in that, Ukraine will loose and Russia will see that NATO is weak. It also shows Europe that the US is not trustworthy. Instead of bowing to the whims of the US, Europe will need to grow some balls and stand on its own. You will loose all the influence you have created over decades, with enormous costs to build up your military dominance, just because you think Ukraine is getting too expensive now.

That's not the idea. The idea is that ALL of the profit of the company goes to the employees and back into the public capital. That's the profit after people
got paid, of course.

Another difference is that the price of the products the companies make is also determined by democracy. A company that makes vital products, like medicines, would not be allowed to make as much profits as they are making now.

If hard work reduces poverty, why are they so poor in countries where people are doing the most and the hardest work?

You worked hard, when you worked. You know it didn't pay well.
I sit on my ass all day and that pays a lot more.

That hard work, you are supporting, is terribly inefficient.
Machinery makes working much more efficient.
That bulldozer required a hardened man, now any woman can do it.
That's why productivity has gone through the roof and is still climbing.
That's creating more value with less people. That added value is just mostly going to the wealthy. That's why the middle class, doing the actual work, is declining and why the upper class, who don't do any hard work, is more wealthy than ever before.

If you value hard work so much, why do you like the wealthy so much?
None of them are shoveling coal or welding pipes.

So, basically, you agreed with every point, is what you're saying.

You are tricked by 'populism'. It is a belief in simple solutions to complex problems. Some of those problems are real, but they always misrepresent the causes.
When people don't understand the causes, there is no possibility of introducing real solutions. That's why populism always fails in solving the problems.
In fact, mostly the problems will only get worse. It always fails, but keeps pointing
to others for their failure.

"When populism runs out of road, it blames the road."

You keep blaming people. How come that your people suck so much then?
Americans are the hardest working people in the modern world. Then why are there so much more poor people in the US, than in most of the modern world?
It just doesn't make sense.
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If you read my ideas better, the plan is that employees just get them, not that they have to buy them. The plan is that everyone gets an equal share per hour, from the cleaner to the most important strategy specialist. That's the base though, on top is a wage that is dependent on the value people bring to the company. There's still a big difference there, because people's wages would be democratically decided and not by the few on top giving themselves what they thing they deserve.

I also propose differences with the stocks you know. The term 'stock' or 'share' just means a part of ownership and right to a part of the profit. I propose that those stocks are not tradable. Then they don't have a value, they just represent ownership and rights to profit and voting.

I don't hate companies, I dislike the system and I prefer a better system.
What I'm proposing is my optimal goal for a better system. I realise that this is unobtainable right now. It will probably not happen in my lifetime. Still, your type
of capitalism is heading to a cliff. There are many ways to improve it and make
my optimal goal unnecessary. Capitalism can work well, if combined with social benefits, progressive taxation and real democracy. It has worked well before,
you just fucked it up. It will either destroy itself or it will destroy humanity.
I'm thinking for better solutions, for when it destroys itself. If it destroys humanity, there are no second chances.

Then he must be incredibly unpopular with Democrats and independents, to account for that incredible difference between his popularity among Republican voters and his general disapproval ratings.

Neither president can win with just pandering to his own base alone. The VP pick
is not the most important thing, and I wouldn't say Biden has a bright star as VP,
but Trumpists shouldn't be surprised if Trump loses, when he picks DeSantis.
The guy has negative charisma, every time people see him, they dislike him more.

But, I hope he does, because I want Trump to lose.
Better yet, I want him to go to prison, before he can even run.

What a ridiculous victim complex. Conservative biljonairs are running the whole world into a war-stricken hellscape and no one is touching them at all. They are respected by politicians, the media and you.
That story of George Soros gets more ridiculous every time I hear it. Some sites on the internet now claim he broke 15 countries. Which one are your 2? Malaysia and England? He used their own system, legally, to enrich himself. Both Malaysia and England are fine, not bankrupt. You would endorse that as being a smart person, every day, but because he's mildly culturally liberal and donates to Democrats, he's your chosen bad guy.

You just defended Warren Buffett from being a villain, but he's exactly the same as George Soros. They hack the capitalist system to create money from nothing, to enrich themselves. At least they used smart tricks. High-frequency trading is just abusing the power of a server farm to gain a millisecond advantage to take advantage of the trading system, to create money from nothing. It wastes ridiculous amount of electricity, raises your electricity costs, steals billions of dollars from the economy and creates stock crashes too. They are not evil or villains to do that, people are rubes to keep supporting the system that allows them to keep doing that. Democrats want to restrict it Republicans keep supporting it.

Like I said before, you only see the faults in the system,
when it's a Democrat or a liberal abusing the system.
When it's a Republican or conservative doing much worse,
then you always find a way to defend it.

OMG, he gives you some basic advise, so he deserves all his money and power?

Do you think I need that advise? Investing in my development is how I got where I am.
You think 'hard work' will get you anywhere, but that's for rubes. You got to wise up and hack the system, like I did. Be efficient in creating added value. Employers like that.
Working hard will just provide them turnover. It's just as valuable to them as the wage they are paying, which is the minimum that they can get away with. Even if you learn how to do the job 2 times better than everyone else, your still adding only a fraction of their turnover. I'm trying to make everyone else 2 times better, while I'm sitting on my ass. That's adding value. Learning how to add value is the best skill to develop.

By the way, they tell you to invest in your own development, and then that website
is full of links to 'investment opportunities', to 'master the markets'.
If you want to make money, you need to learn the skills to make money.
That's not trusting some company of some wealthy person to make money for you.
That's not how you get rich, that's how people like Warren Buffet get rich, FROM YOU!!! That's how they get the rubes to make them rich. So why do I even need to trust the story on that site?

You don't need them, to make money by investing, you only need a cheap stock account, save some money to invest and then use some freely available information, to buy some stocks when they are at a low point and all the big finance specialists give them a buy advise. You can even follow Warren Buffett's example. Not that he's always right, but just because everyone thinks he always right, those stocks will do well just because everyone buys them.

I never said all of them were evil monsters, I am trying you to understand that they are not a million times better people than the rest of us, so they don't deserve to have a million times more money and power.

Sure, Warren Buffet is not the worst human being who has that kind of money.
He thinks the rest of us deserve some money, happiness and freedom too.
He is even OK, with a bit more taxes for the rich, to help poor people.
He's even doing some charity and supporting liberalism towards politicians.
Maybe that's because he is a LONG TERM investor and he understands that people who have money, happiness and freedom are better consumers, who keep the economy going, so his investments will do better.
He's not a villain, but he definitely uses his power to protect his wealth and keep the system of inequality alive.

There are still lots of rich people who are villains, in my opinion;
they go on your right-wing media to tell people that wages are too high and poor people are selfish, that people don't deserve retirement, but should work until they die, that climate change is a lie and that regulations against pollution are bad for innovation, that fraud is acceptable because they all do it, that the Covid pandemic should have been allowed to wash over the “human capital” to root out the old and weak ones who just cost him money, who cry on TV over just the idea that he should pay some more taxes, who are funding your worst politicians and your worst media, to keep indoctrinating you with this bullshit, that serves them and only hurts you.
Those people are villains, because they are not interested in the long term optimization of the capitalist system, they are only interested in making as much money in the shortest amount of time, by maximizing exploitation of their employees, politics, humanity and nature. They are often old as Methuselah, are not even able to enjoy their money, but they are stuck in a spiral of greed that they can neither end or enjoy. That whole idea that their power comes with accountability to other people sickens them. They believe that they are entitled to everything they take and everyone they take from deserves their contempt. You worship them like gods, while they would not even piss on you when you are on fire. You are nothing to those people. Have you not listened to them? Actually, I know you have, because you are parroting what they say to me.
You think they are talking about the other people, but they disrespect you the most,
for believing their stupid act.

That's just a lazy flip. First of all, are you referring to the type of socialism that I support, to the socialism in the way your misrepresent it or to the current system of my country, which is one of the most capitalist systems in Europe?

'A cog in the machine' is a term for a member of a large organization whose job, although necessary, makes them feel as if they are not important. The question is then; when do people feel that they are not important? I would say, when you are disrespected for the work that you do, when you can get fired and replaced on a whim, when you have no control over who is in charge of your organization, when you have no control over how your organization acts in the world, when what you do doesn't provide anything of use to society and when you don't get rewarded for what you do.

In capitalism, most people work for an organization that is controlled by one or a few authoritarians at the top, the owner or board of directors of the company. Everyone under that leadership does exactly what that leadership wants. Even if most employees hate that leadership, some of their decisions or the general behavior of the company towards employees, customers or the responsibilities towards humanity, the only thing employees can do is leave. There is no democracy in capitalist companies, because the control is with its owners. In most democratic capitalist systems, democracy ends, as soon as you enter your workplace, which is effectively the most important community you are engaging in. People spend most of that time in that community and that community supports their survival and determines their living standard. It controls people's lives in almost every way, but it is almost completely out of their own control. In the American version of capitalism, those owners of big companies even control democracy itself. Many studies show that the preferences and demands of American voters play an almost insignificant role in the actions of the politicians, when comparing it with the preferences and demands of the donors to the politicians. Both parties basically do what their donors ask them to do. Voters either like it or vote for another candidate. However, the candidates who are preferred by the parties get so much more money and media attention, by the media that is taking money from the same donors, that American politics cannot be called a democracy anymore. That makes Americans a cog in the machine of the economy and its political system.

I support a system of complete democracy; not just rooting out all corruption, by eliminating campaign funding for companies, kicking out all lobbyists and reorganizing the funding of the media to make them independent again, but by democratizing most of the economy and investments. No longer will a few very wealthy people own the system of production and no longer do they control politics with legalized bribes and by sending an army of paid representatives to argue for their interests. Companies should be owned by the people and the employees. Private investments are still allowed, and will give a good return on investment, but it will be a temporary loan, like a mortgage. Ownership of a company will not be permanent, because everyone who provides labor for the company will acquire ownership of the company, in the form of stocks. An investor who doesn't also provide labor for the company will slowly lose all stock, lose all ownership and lose all access to the profits. Employees will acquire stock, for their retirement. That stock also provides them with voting rights. That stock also depreciates over a long time during retirement, because active employees are acquiring stock. However, all people also acquire government stock, and that will constantly increase in value, because public capital is the main investment in most companies. The profits of those companies then mainly flows back into the public capital. That ownership is also not permanent. A company that exists for a long time, in the end is only owned by employees, people who provide labor. Still, all profit is taxed, because the public capital provides infrastructure, education, healthcare and other necessities for its employees and its continued operation.
The public capital is organized by elected representatives, shaping the publicly owned economy on principles established in party programs and leadership mandates. There actions should be very transparent and voters have an incentive to keep them in check, because they control their personal investments. Companies are also managed by elected representatives, shaping the employee owned / publicly owned company on principles established in leadership mandates. Managers who do wel for their employees get reelected. However, since the company is also publicly owned, the government representatives have voting power in the companies. Transparently reported to their voters of course. They should however also do well for the whole community, to get more investments from the public capital, to grow.
In this way, companies are owned and controlled by everyone, and not just a few wealthy people. People therefore are responsible for the success of the company the work for and the success of the whole economy. They are also responsible for deciding between short term gain or long term success, between profit and pollution, health or money. Instead of wealthy people and politicians controlling their life, they have full democratic control over everything that is important to their lives.

Every individual is a cog in the machine of civilization. In capitalism, you are a cog in the machine for enriching a few people with money and power, who control you. In the system I support, you have shared money and power. That makes you less of a cog in the machine and more part of the community.

DeSantis wouldn't be a smart pick for Trump, he's the third most unpopular governor
in your whole country.

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Is that newsworthy to you? Ahuh, ahuh, a Democrat got his shit stolen.
Yeah, crime exists, Democrats know that. But, just like your Republican politicians, they are all rich and don't have to care about living in the world that you live in.

Still, Democrats actually have good plans to reduce crime.
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The irony is, REPUBLICANS think 'defunding the police' will help.
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Republicans just keep telling you that tougher punishment will help.
It's nothing but bullshit for gullible people. They are incapable of doing anything useful, so the only thing they have to get voters, is lying that everything is getting worse because of the Democrats and then saying that they have the solutions.

Republicans are incapable of imagining solutions, just like you.
This is the level of your thinking:
- Mental illness? -> Lock them up!
- Crime? -> Just kill all the criminals!
- Immigrants coming for your jobs? -> Build a wall!
- Poor people? -> They should work harder!
- People cannot afford medication? -> Leave it up to the market!
- School shooting? -> Give guns to the stressed out teachers!
- Climate change? -> The earth's weather has always changed!
- Unwanted pregnancies? -> Their own fault for fucking!
- Black people protesting police violence? -> Shut the fuck up!
- Students protesting genocide by Israel? -> Shut the fuck up!
- Free speech? -> My right to say the N-word and be a douche online!

I wouldn't want to straw-man you, so tell me if you don't agree with any of them.
In any case, it's the thinking of primitive people, and it's what your mind is reduced to, when you only watch right-wing media.

Republicans have a House majority. It's their responsibility to create laws to provide those solutions, even if they are your stupid solutions. But they have not! None of the problems ever get solved when a Republican is in power. They stop talking about those problems when a Republican is in power, but as soon as a Democrat enters the White house, all those problems are back, the day after. What happened?
Didn't your president solve those problems?

Sure, your House majority has to work with the Democrat majority in the Senate, but they didn't even try. There has never been a House this ineffectieve ever. They are only fighting among themselves, because some of them want to do nothing and shut down the government completely and others want to keep the country running.
None of them actually want to do anything USEFUL.

Oh, sure, locking up their father or mother is surely going to help
those children to grow up like respectable citizens.

Mental healthcare is not just for mentally ill people, it's for people BEFORE they become mentally ill, to PREVENT them from becoming mentally ill.

Your community creates mental illness. You have many examples of people going crazy around you. I don't have those examples, because my community is still not as harsh and selfish as yours. The last few decades, that has been changing, because of right-wing politics. They have created lots of suffering for people, turning into lots of mental illness.
Still not as much as in the US, but if Dutch voters keep making stupid choices like you, mental illness will only become worse. Your political side is spreading a culture of selfishness and antagonism towards other people. It creates selfish assholes and it creates people who break down, because they cannot handle living in such a world.

Community is hardening. Every day we hear about more civil servants encountering violence. That's from people who grow up in a world that's being shaped by your ideas; there is no community looking out for you, you are on your own, get what you can, treat everyone around you like the enemy. Your ideas are turning everyone into predators, because that's what survival of the fittest demands.
Stop treating people like animals, and they won't become animals.

Why? Why not? Because we can! Because it improves everyone's life.
Because civilization has progressed enough to make that possible.
Because taking away the struggle to survive, changes people's perspective.
Instead of confusing on survival, people can focus on what is important.
Phart just asked: "how can they feel a sense of accomplishment?".
By doing things that actually accomplish positive things.
Most people are doing work, only to keep the cogs of capitalism turning.
They don't feel a sense of accomplishment, because they are only a cog in the machine. They are only making money for the wealthy, to get a small part of it for themselves. They are working to screw other people out of their money, or they are making harmful products, or they are polluting nature, etc.
You are only telling me "people should work hard for the things they have", because that's what they told you all your life. They told you that, so all that hard work, for just surviving, makes trillions of dollars for the wealthy.
Everyone IS working hard, except for the people who have the most.

I'm not working hard, but people who work with their brain never worked hard. People who had my sort of job, when I was young, were working less hours for more money. You just don't know about them, because they didn't live in your neighborhood.
Not in my neighborhood either, but I went to school with their children. I played at their homes sometimes. Those houses now cost at least $1,000,000. Phart seems to think that my income is exceptionally high, for someone who just sits behind a desk, but people like me were living in villas and driving Jaguars, when I was young.
And they had a stay-at-home wife and several children. My girlfriend works.
I didn't want to put children in this decaying civilization.

You are wrong about no one ever handing you a damn thing. You grew up in an America where your taxes still paid for a good education, where the wage of a father working at the post office or a factory could house and feed his whole family.
Why do you thing the slogan 'MAGA' caught on? Because you all know you are getting screwed. That America was treating workers better when you grew up.
That's why you want to Make America Great AGAIN. It refers back to the time that a simple worker could actually survive on his wage.
Did they not work hard? Sure they did, but people are still working hard.
Now a job at the post office or a factory doesn't pay enough to survive on.
Am I wrong there? Aks yourself what your father did for a living.
Are people who do that job now, or something similar, supporting a family?

My father was a mechanic and my mother worked one day a week at a pharmacy.
I grew up in a terraced house with three floors that is now worth at least $500,000.
We always had a car and we went on vacations every year. I was able to get a higher education, with about $25,000 student loan. My father retired at age 62. He's 80 now.
You show me a mechanic living like that today.

Stop thinking that socialists like me want to 'hand you' a damn thing. Fuck no!
I want people to work too. I just want that work to MATTER.
I want everyone to do USEFUL jobs, that provide society with what people need and what improves society, in the most efficient way to provide those things. I want people to be rewarded for doing a job, not just survive on it. And I want people to have a LIFE besides working. They should have time for themselves, to enjoy life, to spend time with people they love and to be a parent. Parenting is important. When both parents are working full-time, just to survive, they are not parenting. That's creating all your criminals.

Give me reasons, when you say "that is how it should be".
The problem is that you never think why is should be like that.
Or do you think that no one should ever have it better than you?
Then understand that it's better for you too, when everyone is doing well.
Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to live in a world with happy people.
It's a better world to live in, than one where everyone is struggling to survive.

A feeling of accomplishment isn't limited to seeing something built with steel or concrete, with physical labor. I agree that punching numbers all day is not rewarding, but it's your lack of understanding that makes you think an office job is just punching numbers all day. Fortunately, those jobs are long replaced by computers. The office job I have now is much more rewarding than the hands-on job I had before. That job was rewarding by getting the tasks for the day done, but not more than that. I started doing little projects on the side, because my job wasn't rewarding enough. A good colleague helped me see that being an operator wasn't fulfilling for me any more and I needed to do those projects full-time. I started with an internship of a half year, extended that a few times and then transferred permanently to my current job.

You have the idea of the owner class that is applicable to the owners of at maximum one company or a few restaurants. I don't have much of a problem with them. Those are just the average rich people. I'm always talking about the WEALTHY people, who have many billions. They are beyond risk to themselves. They are too big to fail. When some of them fail, the government even bails them out.

Do you think that Elon Musk would be poor if X goes down the drain? Or that Jeff Bezos has to sell his houses, if Amazon somehow turned belly up? Of course not, their wealth is permanent. They could loose many billions in stock value, sure, but they have transferred so much of their profit into other securities, that they are set for life.
Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are the faces that we know. That's because they still do SOMETHING. We don't even know the real owner class. They just own big parts of many companies and only show up for some board meetings. They own your media and your politicians, and tell them to tell you those fantasies, that you are telling me. It's just propaganda for the wealthy.

Imagine it like this: if you bought 3 different stocks with all your savings, then you are risking something, because that's a gamble. People who own millions have many stocks and other securities. Their assets go up and down with the economy, but because it's diversified, they have much less risk than you.
The real owner class has thousands of times more than those millionaires, who already have low risks. Their assets are so widely spread, that buying a company, even a big one, is no risk at all. They don't even feel the pain of a crisis like Covid-19 anymore. They just scooped up all the stimulus relief packages and added billions to their capital. They bought lots of houses from people who couldn't afford their mortgage anymore. They win when the economy goes well and they win when the economy goes down.
They win, when you suffer. It's them who decided to raise all the prices of the products of the companies they own, and call it inflation. They made record profits, while people like you suffered for them. Stop sympathizing with those people, they don't deserve it. They already have everything and they took it very easily, because you think they are entitled to it.

Many bullies are having mental health issues themselves.
They are venting frustration and anger, from being abused themselves,
or they feel the need to demean other people to feel better about themselves. Mentally stable and happy people don't do things like that.
You shouldn't be surprised how he ended up.

Still, there are many people who keep abusing other people, like they did in school, but just by being hateful to other people. I think they are incapable of ever loving and respecting anyone, even the ones closest to them.
They are the husbands that beat or just belittle their wives and children.
Then the chain of misery continues, because the children most of the time turn out the same way.
That's what mental healthcare is also good for; cut the chain of abuse.

And you're obviously damaged for life.
If they helped you, maybe you would have a better opinion of people.
You're right that most people 'turn to the dark side', when they're young.
Most of them are not bad by nature, their parents are just bad parents.
When teachers see children turn bad, they should send the whole family to caregivers. The parents might need even more help, than the kid itself.
That's exactly how you "make life more pleasant for everyone."
Better parents -> better kids -> less thieves, rapist and murderers.

Sorry to hear about your dad, I hope he's fine now.

I have no idea how you can summarize what I'm saying with "why aren't you going out and giving your extra money to house the homeless".

I'm lucky to be able to use this capitalist system to my benefit. Too many people are not. Funny how you accuse me of being lazy, for doing not a lot and still having a comfy lifestyle. Why don't you care about the owner class doing absolutely nothing and living like gods? They don't even know what real work is. I have worked a demanding job for 10 years in shifts. I was making a product. Is that a 'real job'? I just developed my knowledge and skills, so I could work from a desk. I'm not directly involved in making that product, but without people like me, that product could not be sold. That product wouldn't even exist in the first place, because people like me create the process to make it. At least I'm still doing things myself, instead of ordering people around. If I was doing that, then you would grovel for me, because those are businessmen, the class of the gods. Those are exactly the people who can go away for a year and no one notices; business goes on. One operator calling in sick is affecting operations more than all of upper management calling in sick. And they are so much easier to exchange too. Any manager can step in and do the job in a few weeks. An new operator requires at least six months of training before they can work independently. Half of my job takes about the same training time, but the other half of the job just requires experience. That's why most of my direct colleagues are former operators just like me. But, of course that's not a real job. I need to become really useless and become management, to deserve your respect.

I would challenge you to think about the goal of life.
What are all those hard working people actually achieving?

Productivity is higher now then ever before and still going up,
the GDP of mostly all developed countries has gone up and up and up,
but are more people benefiting from that?
There are people working full time who cannot make ends meet.
Especially the people doing those 'real jobs' are getting poorer.
But the wealth of the owner class is growing harder than ever before.
If we believe your ideas, then that would benefit everyone, but it doesn't.
There are even homeless people with jobs, sleeping in their car on the
parking-lot of the company they work for. Are they just lazy?
It's up to you to explain this, because the world is using your system.
Why do you keep supporting that system, when it so clearly doesn't work?

At least, it doesn't work for the majority of the people, I'm an exception.
Also, I'm living in The Netherlands, a less brutal capitalist country.
And I grew up when my country was much more socialist.
I had free healthcare, affordable education and affordable housing.
What my father had on lower education and I have on higher education,
most young people with even university cannot afford anymore.
Meanwhile we have more millionaires and billionaires than ever before.
And I have seen politics move from far left in my youth to far right now.
You tell me how you interpret all of that.

Sure, lock'em all up, that's your solution for everything.
Mental healthcare is a preventative measure, for normal people
who are going through rough times to get help, so they can cope.
It's a good investment to help people back on their feet.

In your system, how are they going to decide who to lock up?
People who are suffering from depression? Lock them up!
A guy having a hard time dealing with a divorce? Lock him up!
A nerdy guy who suffering torment from his schoolmates? Lock him up!
A postman got fired from his job and is posting hate online? Lock him up!
That's what you have to do to prevent the mass murders of the last years.
They were mostly normal people with issues like these.
They just went crazy, because they had no one to turn to.
You will have to lock up millions of people, to catch the one who would go crazy.

But sure, think of the absolute worst and most expensive solution, for something that can be treated very effectively, if you only spend some tax-dollars for some good things. Tax-dollars that will come back, from the people who are able to function in society again.

I might have to rethink my love for democracy. People like you can vote too.

Showing news articles about crimes is not an argument.
We are not saying crime is GONE, we are saying it is DOWN.

The media has an incentive to keep you hooked on news.
Then the 24/7 news channels have nothing else to do,
than grinding out every little story to its absolute depth.
That gives people the idea that the world is turning uglier by the day.
That's mostly perception, crime really has gone down year by year,
with maybe a temporary uptick here and there, when there is a crisis
and people are more desperate and stressed out.
Check some statistics, before you make claims on your feelings.
Your feelings are based on hypes and lies.

The only crime that is worrying is mass shootings. You cannot solve that with criminal justice reform, not in a liberal way and not in a right-wing way.
The only thing that would help is improving mental healthcare and gun reform. Republicans think mental healthcare is too expensive and think that gun reform is an afrond against the 2nd amendment. That means that the worst crime know to man is flourishing, while crimes that can be reduced with policing has been declining for decades.

The only conclusion I can make, from everything you are saying is that you think too many people are happy.

You are living in a country, where most people are living paycheck to paycheck and you think: "That's not right, they should be working harder, to even survive.".

I understand why you hate my ideas now:
I'm a guy, who 'works' (sorry, even with the quotation marks, I cannot help but laugh, about the idea that what I'm doing is working) only 40 hours a week (while being distracted for about half my time) and my supervisor is satisfied with the things I'm delivering. I'm home alone, because my girlfriend is at her mother to help around a bit and celebrate kings-day together. I though, that's a good time to take two days off. At work, I'm waiting for other people doing their part, I can fill my time, but I have lots of days left, so lets have some me-time. I have some work around the house, so that two days off gives me more time in the weekend. I'm gonna do a lot of gaming. Normally, I have a few hours now and then, but now I can make working-day hours on it. Still, enough time to waste even more. I literally spend several hours downloading porn and jerking off to it. How more useless can I get? Well, I'm doing it now. And yesterday, for my hard work ( ), my wage was transferred. I had several hundred Euros (= 1.07 $) left from last month, on several accounts, so I kept at least € 500,- as a buffer and throwing around money, on my own account, dropped the rest in the fixed charges account and dropped € 1000 in the savings account. There's now € 6000 in the quick savings account, collecting almost no interest, but I like having some money for easy access. When it's getting ridiculous, I'll think about if I want to throw it in the slow savings account, in the stock account or pay off some more of our mortgage. My girlfriend got her wage too, but she said she wanted new shoes, so I advised her too keep a few hundred throwing around money too, because were fine on the fixed charges account. I'll throw the rest in the quick savings account too. Later today, I'll continue a job still waiting for me; I have to do my tax returns. It took a while this year, because we had thousands of Euros in medical expenses. Our insurances don't pay for everything. There are insurances who do, but those are not worth their money. If you have money laying around, you're cheaper off paying those costs yourself, when needed. Now I have to calculate the exact costs we had, which is easy, but also all the traveling costs, which is more difficult. So, alright, my government wants to reimburse part of those costs, so I will spend some hours calculating. I think I earn my money easier by 'working' for my employer.

When I wrote that, I though: "Yeah, I'm hating me too, right now.".

I'm excelling at maximizing my working hours into results.
I could do more, but I don't want to. I spend my time at work on the things that motivate me, things that I consider to be good for my colleagues and the patients who use our products. Then I'm working with more energy and my brain at full capacity to think of the right improvements. When I'm doing less interesting stuff, it is at less than half my energy and less than half my brain capacity. It's getting done well, but slowly. Meanwhile, I'm looking for possible improvements; What problems am I seeing in the data that I'm analyzing, what are the causes of those problems, how can I eliminate or reduce them? Then, I see an incident that could have been prevented. The operators just didn't know how to predict the problem. In my time as an operator, most of us had that knowledge, but high turnover erased a lot of experience. So, I discussed the solution with them, they didn't know about it, so we decided to make an instruction for it, in their procedures. I spend half a day at drawing a clear schematic, which they only need to train once to understand it. Every new employee will be trained in it, so I'll hope that eliminates or reduces recurrence of the incident. When I'm doing something like that, I'm energized and happy. It also reduces lots of expenses, because incidents are very expensive. Several people spend their time in correcting the damage and sometimes we are forced to throw away tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of Euros worth in product.
Sure, I could work harder, I could be more effective, but for what? The sector I'm in makes ridiculously high profits. Those profits are mostly going to the owners and/or large shareholders. They live in ridiculous luxury, while doing nothing useful. They have their board members to make sure the company is doing well, the CEO is making enough money for them and they have other people looking around what companies they can buy, for the billions they are taking from their other companies. They have no idea how to spend their billions, but people like you think they deserve to have those billions. Those people are not trying to be more or trying for society to be more, but they are the gods that you bow to.
But, you hate my idea, that I have a right to a nice life too.
You even hate my idea that you have a right to a nice life too.

I'm not living to work, I'm maximizing the time I spend in the capitalist system, TO LIVE. Because, I only have ONE LIFE. That capitalist system provides my means to live, but it's still affected by the useless owner class, exploiting everyone around me, only to own more.

You think that owner class is necessary, because they invest in the economy that we all rely on. Right? .... Are they? Why are they necessary? They are not investing their money, people who work for them are investing their money. They do make the final decision what to invest in; "Do I invest in oil, cluster bombs, cigarettes, fast-food chains, natural resources, payday-loans, medicines, rockets to go to Mars, more lobbyists who help me keep my PFAS factory and my ability to dump toxic waste in the rivers, or is it smarter to invest in solar panels, electric cars, wind turbines and innovation? How can I make the most money now and long-term?".

What I say is: "I don't like those people deciding that, I prefer democracy.".
Why should a few wealthy people have all the money, that everyone else creates with their labor? Why should they have the choices on how to spend it?
We, as a people, are creating that money, so I want society to have PUBLIC capital and democratic control over how to spend that public capital, by means of elected representatives supporting and voicing an opinion on how to spend OUR money, and then keeping their promises when we elect them.

"Daddy, can ice-cubes spoil? These ice-cubes make my lemonade look milky
and taste really strange."

Providing people the necessities to live is NOT taking away the incentive to excel! It's providing the exact opposite; it's taking away the stress to survive, so people have all their attention on developing themselves and humanity.

Stop thinking that everyone is lazy and bad.
Given the opportunity, most people are awesome.
The people who are not, will never excel anyway.
Even if you threaten their livelihoods, the most they will ever achieve is survival.

Also stop thinking that I want to provide others with what they need,
I just want anyone who contributes to EARN all the necessities to live.

I'm also not talking about making everything and everyone equal, read my first comment. I propose a system in which the people have DEMOCRATIC power over public capital, to invest in opportunities to improve the lives of everyone, instead of letting a tiny group of elites, born with a silver spoon in their mouth, control all the money in a DICTATORSHIP, to serve only themselves.

Because EVERYONE thinks that skills and effort should be rewarded, we will do so with that DEMOCRATIC power over public capital. No one would vote to give everyone the exact same income. You certainly wouldn't and I wouldn't either.
That's still a million times different than the inequality of the current system.

Why is this so hard to understand? You keep misrepresenting my ideas.

Why do you believe that normal people deserve at maximum the necessities to live, while you think a few wealthy people deserve to live in ridiculous abundance?
It really sounds like you think those people are gods. Sorry, they are not, they are very flawed human beings. They have some skills, but at least 95% of them had wealthy parents and the rest had a shitload of luck. They are no more exceptional than the people who took a risk and failed, they were just in the right place, at the right time, with the right people. Often after their success, they get a brain-worm thinking they are awesome, and their brain turns into mush. That doesn't matter, because once they are wealthy, your stupid culture of worshiping the wealthy, protects them from failure, even if they try their hardest.

Who wrote your opinion then? And why is that credible?
Can't you just look at the world, and see it's flawed as fuck?
And you then think treating people with respect for their humanity is bad?
I think every problem in the world is caused by lack of that respect.
Why don't you agree with that?

You are born with them, because you are human, just like me.
They are written down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
"Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights
of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace
in the world"

I am so sick of people who think everyone should bust their ass's every day just to survive, while other people sit on their ass, taking millions per day for just owning everything, because stupid people gifted them control over all the money.

End poverty, end the ridiculous system of exploitation to serve the wealthy, change the horrible culture of worshiping money and mindless consumerism, and reserve the time we are spending on this earth for providing everyone with the necessities of life, creating actual value for the progress of humanity and the preservation of nature, instead of producing harmful, waste creating crap, with the only reason to further enrich people, who have more than they can ever use and only spend in the pursuit
of even more for themselves. They are sick of greed and they need to be cured.

Lets be free of these tyrants, who steal our lives and our freedom.
Power to the people!

I would just want to add that not everyone who didn't post a photo for verification is a fake profile. When I became a member, there were no requirements to do this. When the rules changed to be allowed to post adult content, I didn't like the requirements to verify my identity and age. "You can only upload content on this site after you submitted your verification documents." I'm not going to do that, so I'm not posting anymore adult photographs. If the verification picture was the only requirement, I would do that,
but they are not getting my verification documents.

Some people have careers to worry about. Nude pictures can ruin a career.

What relation are you trying to make between the article and what you are saying?

"liberals that married into money spending it to insure more crime" ????

The article is speaking about "The recent crime wave in American cities".
That's absolute bullshit; every type of crime is down a lot, everywhere.
They are just making up nonsense to justify more nonsense.

Thank goodness for statistics, I'm average now.

Society has evolved far enough to provide the necessities to everyone,
if we only share the resources a bit more equally.
We can do that, so we should do that.

I value that opinion of the basis of human rights.
On what value do you base your opinion?

A wise man once said: "Wealth should represent greater access to luxury,
not greater access to necessity."

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"Andrew Tate is a 14yr old boy's idea of what masculinity looks like"

He talks about other things too, like religion.

That sucks. But your argument is just that two wrongs make a right.
Did anyone actually research WHY those people killed themselves?
If it trauma, from being in that horrible situation, then do some research on how many Palestines are committing suicide.

Everyone has what it takes to hide yourself under a dead body,
that's what you do in situations like that. Or you freeze and die.

I didn't say Star Wars was great. Some episodes are, especially for the time, some are less good. I just referred to it, because it delivers the story of rebellion against oppression so clearly. It's literally framing a dark and a light side (of the force). I would say, it's the one SciFi genre that has told that good vs bad story the best. I have enjoyed every episode, mostly because I just like SciFi, but personally I prefer movies where the struggle between good and bad is more complicated. Recently, series have been doing a good job of it. I liked Game of Thrones, The Witcher and Vikings.

You seem to think that terrorists are being born as evil bloodthirsty people or that they are born as normal humans and just decide to become an evil bloodthirsty person one day. That doesn't happen. Hate doesn't just happen. Hate needs a breeding ground. That breeding ground in Palestine is easy for anyone to see, unless you really don't want to.
I have talked about it before at length. It doesn't require much empathy (not sympathy) to understand that being in the situation that Palestinians have lived in for decades now, would case them to hate Israel. A situation like that is a breeding ground for terrorists. That breeding ground will only become more fertile, when innocent people are murdered. I understand that this happened on Israeli side too. Then we end on two wrongs don't make a right again. Someone has to end that chain of violence, and that isn't the people without any power, but the people who control everything: Israel, with unconditional support of America. The US could make that support conditional.

You keep thinking that genocide of all Palestinians will end the chain of violence. There are about 5 million Palestinians. If they are all killed,
there will probably not be Hamas anymore. Congratulations, there are 500 million more Muslims in the world. Doing a genocide against Muslims, will create a breeding ground for many terrorists among them.
Trump's friend MBS is already funding them, for the next 9/11.

You don't! You cannot destroy terrorism by bombing people.
The only way to fight terrorists is taking away the reason for them.
As long as people are suffering and being oppressed, they will support terrorists. That's the term for the 'freedom fighters', from the other side.
They are always poor and uncivilized people, who kill in a personal way,
with knives and rifles, instead of in a civilized, impersonal way, with a rocket, a bomb, or a shell, from a plane, helicopter, drone or tank. That's because knives, rifles are the only weapons they have. They are called terrorists, because they do terror. The overwhelming power they fight does even more terror, but that's considered legitimate and in response of their terror.

Haven't you seen films like Star Wars?
Israel is The Empire, oppressing Palestine. The rebels killed many storm-troopers, even a whole Death Star with probably many people on it who were just living their lives, working for the empire. Those rebels, like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, killed many people who were just serving for the glory and expansion of the empire, while the terrorists and the people who protect them stood in their way. That's why the empire blew up the whole planet of Alderaan, with all those filthy terrorist sympathizers on it.
All those primitive people calling themselves freedom-fighters, while they were standing in the way of a glorious, modern, democratic empire.
(Well, it was democratic, but in war, the president requires all the power,
so the senate and courts relinquished all power to Emperor Palpatine.)
Death to those filthy rebels! Kill them all, and everyone supporting them!

Movies most of the time position the rebels as the good guys. That's just storytelling and not realistic. People fighting against oppression are often traumatized hateful extremists, doing despicable things, to maximize their impact, because they are fighting against impossible odds. However, they are fighting for what they think is freedom for their people, to live the way they want to live, against an oppressor with many times the strength and power, that has behaved without any respect for their lives and rights,
and has caused many more death. That oppressor just has power and information reporting on their side, which provides them with legitimacy
in the eyes of people on their side. People, who think they are the good guys by definition, only look at the actions of the other side and never think about the actions of their own side.

Or maybe you have not seen Star Wars, because it was 'woke'.
Woke means being conscious of oppression, inequality and injustice.
Some people like oppression, inequality and injustice, if it's not them.
Or they think they don't deserve humanity, because they are inferior.
That's how all the dark, evil empires start, by calling people 'vermin'.
You're already a stage further; calling for extermination of the 'vermin'.

Sure, outright fascism contains a value that discipline is good.
That discipline is only intended to better serve the Führer.
Hitler was also concerned with the health of his soldiers, researching the minimum daily requirement for vitamins and minerals, that is still mostly used until today, they say.
It was all intended to maximize the efficiency of his army.

Evil despots cannot get a country behind them with 100% pure evil,
they fool you with talk about discipline, patriotism and sacrifice for the good of the country, and then they do the 100% pure evil.
Might be good for you to understand that. Because it's applicable.

The Democrats don't encourage smoking and drinking,
they just consider it FREEDOM to do that if you want.
Republicans used to stand for personal freedom once,
now you just stand for servitude to the wealthy.

Why would freedom only be popular with young people?

That's why I said; Tesla made electric cars cool.
Now electric cars are cool and faster, other brands are taking over, making better, cooler and faster EV's. Tesla's market share is dropping below 50% soon.
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Only Americans care about trucks. When the rest of the world wants to haul stuff,
they buy a van. A European citizen, who needs a car with more cargo, buys an estate.
All the electric estate cars come from Europe:
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The percentage of pickup trucks sold in my country is around 0.5% (2000 a year).
But we have more than a million vans, on 9.1 million passenger cars.
We now have 5.2% electric cars in my country.

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Biden is spending billions on infrastructure and you associate him
with 'watching the street fall apart'?

You are sick of watching your friends suffer economically?
Why are they suffering economically? Are their costs too high
and their income too low? How about increasing wages then?
Oh, no no no no, that would be expensive for their employers!
How about lowering their costs of education and healthcare and rent and insurances, by regulating the companies who make record profits over their backs and then call it inflation?
Oh, no no no no, that would be socialism!
Well, let them suffer the system that you support then!

You accuse Biden of the problems that your support for
the trickle down economy fantasy has caused.

WHEN will those millionaires, who now all turned into billionaires, finally start paying their employees more? Did they do that, every time their taxes were lowered by every Republican president? Will they start doing it, when they pay 0% taxes and turn into trillionaires?
Of course not, you will just pay more taxes, to make up for
all the wealthy people who pay no taxes.

They told you it would happen and it didn't. Every decade, the middle class became poorer and poorer, while the rich and wealthy became richer and wealthier. THEY LIED TO YOU, but you blame Biden.

Is this caused by transgenders competing in women's sports?
Are we talking about 2 or 3, at an actually important level?
Like that has caused your friends suffering economically.
Of course not, it's the bullshit distractions they tell you,
to keep you voting for the horrible politicians who actually
caused your friends suffering economically.